Green Gaia
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Anyone wanna tackle this?
How did they form, why did they split?
What commonalities do they share?
How did they form, why did they split?
What commonalities do they share?
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History of the Abrahamic religions
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Hi
Let me tell my understanding....
Noah...
Was close to God, but was selfish and did not teach God's ways because he felt most were unworthy of God's knowledge! There is not much we know from the time frame of Noah to Abraham. True we do know most of the ancestry because the Bible, Qu'ran and other books tell us more or less the same story!
Abraham...
Being much different than Noah, Abraham feared God, not in the way you might think. Abraham felt that the stories that were handed down to him lacked something, and that was a persons personal commitment to God was really non-existing. So Abraham wanted to make God the center of all things, this was something that had not taken place since the time of Noah.
Abraham first showed others his commitment to God, these things he did became laws not out the need to police others but because people saw that God granted Abraham great knowledge because of the things he did for God. One law was that everything you consumed was to be shared with God. Sacrifice and burnt offerings were other laws!
Many other direct descendents of Noah were not very happy with the fact that people were following Abraham laws and not obeying the laws Noah had passed on to his descendents! This was not the real problem though. What turned out to be the problem was the fact that some people took Abraham laws to far! Some loved God so much that they would offer there first born to God as a sacrifice! God do not want this, so he showed Abraham through his failure of falling a sleep while preparing his offering to God.
When he woke God told him, because you fell a sleep the offering you were to give me was taken, because of this you have showed me you do not care for me like I thought you did. So God ordered him to offer his son as a sacrifice! This was only to show Abraham that God did not like the fact that others were offering their first born children to him!
After this happen Abraham went to the people and told them they must never offer any child to God again. Many rebelled and said that Abraham only said this because he was jealous that God would grant them better favor than him.
This seems to be where the split happen, and we can tell why we know this because, many religions base there roots on these events!
Example.....
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, ( Voodoo -> a blend of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and African <- (Ham's desendents) pagan religions)
Although Christianity, was not formed then, it principles were based on Noahs beliefs...
Christianity differs from Islam and Judaism, because biblical beliefs....
Let me explain....
Jesus, in christianity is devine <- (of heaven), while in Islam and Judaism, Jesus is a prophet but is less than Abraham and while Abraham and Moses are devine, Jesus is not! There are many things that join all of these and other religions together in fact many other religions in some form or another base there foundation on Abrahams laws. (Baha'i, Rastafarianism, Unitarian Universalism)...
jtb!
Let me tell my understanding....
Noah...
Was close to God, but was selfish and did not teach God's ways because he felt most were unworthy of God's knowledge! There is not much we know from the time frame of Noah to Abraham. True we do know most of the ancestry because the Bible, Qu'ran and other books tell us more or less the same story!
Abraham...
Being much different than Noah, Abraham feared God, not in the way you might think. Abraham felt that the stories that were handed down to him lacked something, and that was a persons personal commitment to God was really non-existing. So Abraham wanted to make God the center of all things, this was something that had not taken place since the time of Noah.
Abraham first showed others his commitment to God, these things he did became laws not out the need to police others but because people saw that God granted Abraham great knowledge because of the things he did for God. One law was that everything you consumed was to be shared with God. Sacrifice and burnt offerings were other laws!
Many other direct descendents of Noah were not very happy with the fact that people were following Abraham laws and not obeying the laws Noah had passed on to his descendents! This was not the real problem though. What turned out to be the problem was the fact that some people took Abraham laws to far! Some loved God so much that they would offer there first born to God as a sacrifice! God do not want this, so he showed Abraham through his failure of falling a sleep while preparing his offering to God.
When he woke God told him, because you fell a sleep the offering you were to give me was taken, because of this you have showed me you do not care for me like I thought you did. So God ordered him to offer his son as a sacrifice! This was only to show Abraham that God did not like the fact that others were offering their first born children to him!
After this happen Abraham went to the people and told them they must never offer any child to God again. Many rebelled and said that Abraham only said this because he was jealous that God would grant them better favor than him.
This seems to be where the split happen, and we can tell why we know this because, many religions base there roots on these events!
Example.....
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, ( Voodoo -> a blend of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and African <- (Ham's desendents) pagan religions)
Although Christianity, was not formed then, it principles were based on Noahs beliefs...
Christianity differs from Islam and Judaism, because biblical beliefs....
Let me explain....
Jesus, in christianity is devine <- (of heaven), while in Islam and Judaism, Jesus is a prophet but is less than Abraham and while Abraham and Moses are devine, Jesus is not! There are many things that join all of these and other religions together in fact many other religions in some form or another base there foundation on Abrahams laws. (Baha'i, Rastafarianism, Unitarian Universalism)...
jtb!
Jesus sure is a prophet according to the Qur'an, and a blessing is always pronounced or written after his name by Moslems. I have, however, never heard (or read) that Jesus is a prophet for Jews. That is, of course, no proof. It would be intersting if you could quote a reference.
Anders
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Death said:
Pretty good excerpt here.
The Jewish View of Jesus To Christians, the central tenet of their religion is the belief that Jesus is the Son of God, part of the trinity, the savior of souls who is the messiah. He is God's revelation through flesh. Jesus was, in Christian terms, God incarnate, God in the flesh who came to Earth to absorb the sins of humans and therefore free from sin those who accepted his divinity.
To Jewish people, whatever wonderful teacher and storyteller Jesus may have been, he was just a human, not the son of God (except in the metaphorical sense in which all humans are children of God). In the Jewish view, Jesus cannot save souls; only God can. Jesus did not, in the Jewish view, rise from the dead.
He also did not absorb the sins of people. For Jewish people, sins are removed not by Jesus' atonement but by seeking forgiveness. Jewish people seek forgiveness from God for sins against God and from other people (not just God) for sins against those people. Seeking forgiveness requires a sincere sense of repenting but also seeking directly to redress the wrong done to someone. Sins are partially removed through prayer which replaced animal sacrifice as a way of relieving sins. They are also removed by correcting errors against others.
Jesus, for Christians, replaced Jewish law. For traditional Jewish people, the commandments (mitzvot) and Jewish law (halacha) are still binding.
Jesus is not seen as the messiah. In the Jewish view, the messiah is a human being who will usher in an era of peace. We can tell the messiah by looking at the world and seeing if it is at peace. From the Jewish view, this clearly did not happen when Jesus was on Earth or anytime after his death.
Jewish people vary about what they think of Jesus as a man. Some respect him as an ethical teacher who accepted Jewish law, as someone who didn't even see himself as the messiah, who didn't want to start a new religion at all. Rather, Jesus is seen by these Jewish people as someone who challenged the religious authorities of his day for their practices. In this view, he meant to improve Judaism according to his own understanding not to break with it. Whatever the Jewish response is, one point is crucial. No one who is Jewish, no born Jewish person and no one who converts to Judaism, can believe in Jesus as the literal son of God or as the messiah. For the Jewish people, there is no God but God.
http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/1756.php
so where do the dinosaurs...the most dominant species on the earth during their time....come in to play through religious history.
i realize the Bible speaks of "leviathans" but briefly and too short to be considered a part of every day life.
that either places them before humans or away from humans [assuming the Bible is an accurate historical record of the earth]
i only bring this up because surely if the two co-existed, man would marvel at the strength of the creature and worship/offer sacrafices to it.
doubts?
i realize the Bible speaks of "leviathans" but briefly and too short to be considered a part of every day life.
that either places them before humans or away from humans [assuming the Bible is an accurate historical record of the earth]
i only bring this up because surely if the two co-existed, man would marvel at the strength of the creature and worship/offer sacrafices to it.
doubts?
jtb,
I don't think there is any religion which sees Abraham and Moses as divine.
phantom,
A leviathan is mentioned in four verses in KJV. Job 40:20 must refer to crocodiles. Ps. 74:14 and Ps. 104:26 refer to snakes as metaphors of the pharaonic armies. In Isaiah 27:1 it is "leviathan the piercing serpent", which will be killed on the day that God punishes the world. Here, interpreters see the snake as referring to the realm of Assur. The Hebrew Bible mentions a leviathan also in Job 3:8, where it probably should be understood as a snake-monster in Job's phantasies.
The word is related to a word meaning "coiled". Giant snakes (or dragons) are found in many mythologies.
Not a single feather of a dinosaur in the book, as I see it.
I don't think there is any religion which sees Abraham and Moses as divine.
phantom,
A leviathan is mentioned in four verses in KJV. Job 40:20 must refer to crocodiles. Ps. 74:14 and Ps. 104:26 refer to snakes as metaphors of the pharaonic armies. In Isaiah 27:1 it is "leviathan the piercing serpent", which will be killed on the day that God punishes the world. Here, interpreters see the snake as referring to the realm of Assur. The Hebrew Bible mentions a leviathan also in Job 3:8, where it probably should be understood as a snake-monster in Job's phantasies.
The word is related to a word meaning "coiled". Giant snakes (or dragons) are found in many mythologies.
Not a single feather of a dinosaur in the book, as I see it.
Maize said:
Nascent Israelite monolatry evolved naturally out of the Western Canaanite Pantheon, probably triggered by the Shasu - a 'land of Edom' people first associated with a primitive form of the tetragramation. The conflated text of the Torah was likely the result of bringing together the people from the North, previously driven towards Judah, with those returning from exile.
Christianity, with its earliest roots within the messianic movement at the close of the 2nd Temple Period, was an increasingly gentile, and intensely Anti-Judaic, sect whose legends and apologetics evolved over the last half of the 1st century CE and the two centuries which followed. The historicity of Jesus is, as yet, unproven.
I know embarrassingly little about Islam.