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Do you believe in corporal punishment based on scripture?

Preacher_LaFleur

Preacher_LaFleur

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Do you believe in using corporal punishment based on passages in the Bible.

2 Sam 7:14 NLT I will be his father, and he will be my son. If he sins, I will correct and discipline him with the rod, like any father would do.

Prov 13:24 NLT Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children.
Those who love their children care enough to discipline them.

Prov 19:18 NLT Discipline your children while there is hope.
Otherwise you will ruin their lives

prov 29:15 NIV the rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother

This is just a few verses, however I am open to why you agree or don't agree. Our children are precious and this is a important issue. We do not really know what goes on in a individuals household when it comes to discipline. I am especially interested in how the Christians deal with discipline of their kids, and I am sure a good talking to does not always work because we have a prison system that's over loaded.

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EverChanging

EverChanging

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Proverbs 20:30 (NIV) Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.

Would you suggest beating and wounding children as well based on this scripture? I don't think it's a good idea to raise children based on ancient texts that recommend such violence.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

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I agree with the general concept that you must discipline your children, lest you spoil them and make them into lazy ne'er-do-wells. However, discipline does not necessarily need to equate to corporal punishment, particularly now that we know of other methods that work just as well or even better than spanking.

Of all your quotes, only the first specifically refers to a rod as a beating tool. The rest, though a traditional reading can of course be inferred, do not necessarily have to refer to corporal punishment. They use words like "rod of discipline" and "rod of correction". The rod could be a metaphor for whatever tool-- time outs, grounding, work, etc-- you use to correct your child's actions.

Preacher said:
I am especially interested in how the Christians deal with discipline of their kids, and I am sure a good talking to does not always work because we have a prison system that's over loaded.
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And what makes you think those in prison ever even got a "good talking to"? Many are from broken homes, with very little structure. I would think it actually more likely that those in prison were subject to beatings and such as children, as the result of drunken fathers or over-wrought mothers, etc. Do you have any correlation between those in prison and a less physical discipline style at home?
 
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Smoke

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Preacher_LaFleur said:
Do you believe in using corporal punishment based on passages in the Bible.
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If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
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No, not really.

Preacher_LaFleur said:
I am sure a good talking to does not always work because we have a prison system that's over loaded.
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I'd like to see your data on how many prisoners were, and how many were not, subjected to corporal punishment as children.
 
Dunemeister

Dunemeister

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Corporal punishment is a final and sometimes necessary resort with recalcitrantly defiant children under the age of three years -- that is, during that time before they have sufficient rationality and language skills to talk to and reason with. After age three, you should have a lot of other options open to you, including time outs and other strategies. Corporal punishment must be measured and proportionate, and should never be done while angry. The issue is discipline for the child, not the release of parental tension or frustration.
 
12jtartar

12jtartar

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Premium Member
Falvlun said:
I agree with the general concept that you must discipline your children, lest you spoil them and make them into lazy ne'er-do-wells. However, discipline does not necessarily need to equate to corporal punishment, particularly now that we know of other methods that work just as well or even better than spanking.

Of all your quotes, only the first specifically refers to a rod as a beating tool. The rest, though a traditional reading can of course be inferred, do not necessarily have to refer to corporal punishment. They use words like "rod of discipline" and "rod of correction". The rod could be a metaphor for whatever tool-- time outs, grounding, work, etc-- you use to correct your child's actions.


And what makes you think those in prison ever even got a "good talking to"? Many are from broken homes, with very little structure. I would think it actually more likely that those in prison were subject to beatings and such as children, as the result of drunken fathers or over-wrought mothers, etc. Do you have any correlation between those in prison and a less physical discipline style at home?
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Falvlun,
There are a few things to think about when it comes to disciplining of children.
The evidence recorded in the Bible seems to indicate that discipline can be delt out in several ways. A good talking to, restricting priviledges, and sometimes with the actual rod. Consider the Scriptures Proverbs 10:13, where he Bible says that the rod is for the BACK of one lacking good sense or understanding. Proverbs 23:13,14 sounds like an actual rod, Proverbs 26:3 seem sure, 29:15, no so sure.
 
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