Lost my faith

Scuba Pete · May 11, 2005

tawn said:
A lot of religions (Christianity especially) work on the principle of making their followers feel guilt.

Not Biblical Christianity. It works on the principle of considering others better than yourself. When that happens, you can truly love your neighbor by rolling up your sleeves to help them out.

Matthew 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave-- 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' NIV

Toad · Dec 31, 2005

I'm an agnostic, I neither believe, nor disbelieve.

I am completely unable to have faith.

How can faith be belief, it makes no sense. Where is the proof of god's existance?
The bible is just a book, written by men.

The Black Whirlwind · Dec 31, 2005

proof proof proof, thats all you people talk about. "oh, no proof! that must mean it doesn't exist!" there was no proof in the dark ages that the earth was round, but that doesn't mean it wasn't! Can't you cynics believe in anything, instead of having to see it? jebus.

michel · Dec 31, 2005

Toad said:
I'm an agnostic, I neither believe, nor disbelieve.

I am completely unable to have faith.

How can faith be belief, it makes no sense. Where is the proof of god's existance?
The bible is just a book, written by men.

I think you mean you think you are completely unable to have faith; You don't say hol old you are, but I bet you have faith.........

If you drive a car, you have faith in the fact that the brakes will work; or you have faith in your parents........I'm sure you do have faith.......

You just sit back, think a bit, and look deep in your heart.

Evenstar · Dec 31, 2005

Oh my..... I often loose my faith. I hate the thought of been Christian, due to the 2 faced Christians, war, the hate.... the state of the world in general.

All I can say is I hope you find the right path soon.

What ever it may be.

ChrisP · Dec 31, 2005

Orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

Exactly how I felt a couple of years ago. Look outside the human species, evidence of the interconnection of all things and the beauty of these things is far more evident.

We (Humans) seem to think we're hot shhhhhhhhhhhugar. . . which we should be. But we're not.

People will never be any different, we're the only species capable of premeditative self-interest on a large scale, and that's the difference.

Snowbear · Dec 31, 2005

Evenstar said:
...I hate the thought of been Christian, due to the 2 faced Christians, war, the hate....

You do realize, don't you, that you can be a Christian without being 2-faced, without being at war and without hating?

mumu · Jan 2, 2006

orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

There is only one way to completely stop these things immediately, and that is to remove free will. I don't believe this is God's nature.

The world will continue to grow closer to God as God's Word spreads among us. Eventually, the world will be free of these things because people choose to live without them, and not because people have no free will.

Scarlett Wampus · Jan 2, 2006

Orichalcum, In my early twenties I lost my faith in a religious movement that had meant so much to me. I felt terrible at the time, and was wary not to set myself up for such a fall again. However, many years later I was surprised to find I was beginning to have faith in something else.

In a sense it was like leaving a relationship to spend many years lonely and convinced romance can only lead to misery, then one day out of the blue someone comes along and ! Wow.

Have faith in doubt, if something is worth believing in then it shouldn't be easily lost.

Where there is great doubt,
there will be great awakening;
small doubt, small awakening,
no doubt, no awakening.
- Zen saying.

Ulver · Jan 3, 2006

Orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

Welcome to despair. Read some Lovecraft and then some Gaiman perhaps. In general it's a good time to read and watch. But rather then look into religions only, it's a good idea to read and watch films from those perhaps without ulterior motives. It's good to be exposed to those that have the imagination of children; rather then those whose ways are set in stone (PM if you want suggestions besides the two authors I mentioned). Trust me.... it sounds odd, but it'll get your mind and soul to be thinking about reality and how little we fully understand. Though hopefully it won't leave you in despair, but rather appreciate the possibilities that do exist.

Now is a time to take in as much as you can. Learn about the many different thoughts and ideas that many have conceived or stumbled upon. You'll hopefully find the common threads that run through many a narrative.

From destruction comes re-birth. Nature will give you enough evidence of that. Our minds and our spirituality work upon the same principle.

searcher63 · Jan 3, 2006

Orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

I sense some Anger along with the"JUST NOT CARING ANYMORE!" Thats understandable. This world just plain sucks! Theres no other way to put it. Man's inhumanity to man is undeniable. I have felt that low myself.
What helped me was learning WHY GOD PERMITS WICKEDNESS.... and the scriptural knowledge that HE SOON WILL RIGHT ALL THE WRONGS man has brought upon himself.
If we are made in his image and we find the condition of humanity deplorable..how much more so would the Creator.?

linwood · Jan 3, 2006

Orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

Works for me!!
Welcome to the club!!

:jiggy:

WeAreAllOne · Jan 4, 2006

i've completly lost faith

I found it! I found it! It was behind the couch the whole time!
I am so very very sorry

Radar · Jan 4, 2006

Take this time to really find yourself and define yourself without boundries. Find what makes you happy if it is something that requires faith great if it does not require faith great. Either way find yourself and love yourself. I'm not sorry for you like those with faith I think this is a great opportunity for you to find what works for you. And take your time have fun and don't feel or get pressured into anything that does not truely make you happy.

Toad · Jan 6, 2006

michel said:

I think you mean you think you are completely unable to have faith; You don't say hol old you are, but I bet you have faith.........

If you drive a car, you have faith in the fact that the brakes will work; or you have faith in your parents........I'm sure you do have faith.......

You just sit back, think a bit, and look deep in your heart.

I am 36 years old, I've read tons of stuff concerning religious topics. I even tried to be religious.

For instance I've read big chunks of ye olde testament years ago, that was my first major step in doubting the existance of god.
I started asking questions, my motto, after all is; QUESTION EVERYTHING!
I mean why does the creator of the universe care about holding elaborate barbeques?
Burnt offerings etc., sounds like paganism to me.
And why all the blood sprinkled everywhere.
Why does the creator of everything concern itself with these things, why? Because they are rituals invented by men thinking that is what god wants:biglaugh:

If there is a god, it certainly is not the god of the old testament, I mean seriously, if any of you read it, you would question it too.
The bible was written by men, with their interpretations of what god is, the bible should be an embarrassment to any creator.
And another thing, the ark that moses passed off as containing the power of god, to kill any who touched it, well folks, ever hear of capacitors, they hold a charge, until it gets released through a conductor. Moses pulled a good hoax and by all accounts was a skilled magician.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electronics:History_Chapter_1
If you were taught a false bill of goods, even if it was in a holy book, and you believed it, would that not be the ultimate blasphemy, you are afraid to not believe the bible even if it may all or in part be untrue or a deception?
I just want the truth, which is incompatable with faith.

Bangbang · Jan 6, 2006

Orichalcum said:
So it has finally happened, i've completly lost faith in any higher power.
There is no specific reason for it, I just don't care anymore.

Has anybody else gone through the same thing?

Yes, I have.

john63 · Jan 6, 2006

Orichalcum said:
I no longer see God anywhere, metephorically speaking of course.
All I see is ignorance, hate, anger, mistrust, abuse of power, conformity to mediocrity, evaporation of love, war which has always been created primarily from religious convictions and a supposedly all powerful God sat on his hairy fat *** laughing.

If you are looking for those things then of course you will see them. If you look for God you will see Him, not the ugliness you speak of here.

CaptainXeroid · Jan 6, 2006

john63 said:
If you are looking for those things then of course you will see them. If you look for God you will see Him, not the ugliness you speak of here.

Frubals for a most excellent post that needs extra emphasis!

Ulver · Jan 9, 2006

john63 said:
If you are looking for those things then of course you will see them. If you look for God you will see Him, not the ugliness you speak of here.

One can turn away from the terrors and horrors of this world. The injustice of this world and all that suffer. So by finding God, or your God, does that blind us to reality? Do we no longer care about our fellow man? Are we no longer allowed to question the SYSTEM when bad things happen to good people? Are we to think those who say they love Jesus cannot do wrong?

Toad · Jan 12, 2006

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