Passerbye
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So "The Voice of Reason" you say that if he was to come speak to you personally or rise up a family member of yours or appear before you. Ok, lets be logical about this, since you seem to love that so much.
Oh, would it really? Doctors and such raise people from the dead all the time. People have gone into states where they were medically considered dead, just to wake up or start breathing again. People have seen things in this, amount of time considered dead, and yet are still discredited as nothing special. Would you not just start discrediting this too if someone just woke up in your family? If a family member rising from the dead is all you need, go to Africa. I'm sure their is some religion in Nigeria that practices enough voodoo to do such, but it would probably cost you a few babies... you know, for sacrifices. If God were to just grant your request, out of nothing, would you really listen? Would not the world discredit it? Would you not be considered a fool for believing God did something like that for you? To quote Jesus
Would you REALY listen?
Oh and pah, the Bible says "In the Beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth" Genesis 1:1
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Since we are not told anything was before and he says he was the first, it is clear that there was nothing before, if taken at face value.
For me, personally, if God were to appear before me, or speak to me, or bring someone in my family back from the dead... something along those lines would be empirical proof that would satisfy my needs.
Oh, would it really? Doctors and such raise people from the dead all the time. People have gone into states where they were medically considered dead, just to wake up or start breathing again. People have seen things in this, amount of time considered dead, and yet are still discredited as nothing special. Would you not just start discrediting this too if someone just woke up in your family? If a family member rising from the dead is all you need, go to Africa. I'm sure their is some religion in Nigeria that practices enough voodoo to do such, but it would probably cost you a few babies... you know, for sacrifices. If God were to just grant your request, out of nothing, would you really listen? Would not the world discredit it? Would you not be considered a fool for believing God did something like that for you? To quote Jesus
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'
Would you REALY listen?
Oh and pah, the Bible says "In the Beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth" Genesis 1:1
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Since we are not told anything was before and he says he was the first, it is clear that there was nothing before, if taken at face value.