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Why do non-believers go to Hell?

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Zeke316

Member
Mr. Sprinkles;
Thanks for your reply. Actually, God does love His creation, which is what John 3:16 is saying. For God so loved [the world], Cosmos or His creation.
We make the mistake of saying "For God so loved {everybody}, which is NOT the case. He loves His people who were "chosen before the foundation of the world". This talk drives people up the walls but if you study what Jesus taught, you will find that every time He touched on the subject of 'exclusivity' of His believers, they wanted to Kill Him.
Most Christians will fight you on this subject and I was in that camp for many years.

Blessings to you.
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

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God doesnt love everybody, but JESUS DOES.
ahahah.

i find the christian religion so awkward. how can they mandate how God feels based on our own conscience and moral code?

it makes me crack up that mere humans can reason God.
 
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Zeke316

Member
Gerani;
Christians get their information about God from the Bible. ..That is how they know some of the mind of God. We believe that the Bible is the Word of God. .. So, you see, it is not awkward...It gives us a compass to lead us in the way we should go.
Pity the lost individuals without a compass.
So, I can put you down as one who believes that Christ paid for everyones sins....
Think about it.

Blessings
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

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zeke,

and then the crusaders fought for the christian religion. when jesus says in the bible not to fight.

hm.....


the bible is not a compass for everyone. there are other scriptures and spiritual beliefs that are compasses and pathes to God.
jesus is just one, not the only.

contrary to what people say, Jesus meant that only for christians. because he is God and knows that christians will follow him, he meant that messege to those who are christian.

God made his incarnations in other areas of the world too. like buddha, krishna, etc...
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

I'm back!
zeke,

and then the crusaders fought for the christian religion. when jesus says in the bible not to fight.

hm.....


the bible is not a compass for everyone. there are other scriptures and spiritual beliefs that are compasses and pathes to God.
jesus is just one, not the only.

contrary to what people say, Jesus meant that only for christians. because he is God and knows that christians will follow him, he meant that messege to those who are christian.

God made his incarnations in other areas of the world too. like buddha, krishna, etc...
 
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Zeke316

Member
Gerani;
Christians believe that Jesus is God in the flesh... He is Devine.
We do not believe that there are other ways to Heaven or Salvation....Why? Because Jesus said He was THE ONLY WAY. John 14:6 ..That is why we are Christians....
He died for me...He paid the price for my sins and because of that, I will be in Heaven. where I do not deserve to be....
Some people understand this, some do not.
I am saved from eternal punishment by God's Mercy...His justice was poured out on His Son, Who was perfect and there was found NO sin in Him. .. Can you imagine that, me, a no good sinner, who will be escaping a punishment for all the sins I have commited, because Someone paid for what I did.
I am truley thankful.

Blessings.
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

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Zeke316 said:
Gerani;
Christians believe that Jesus is God in the flesh... He is Devine.
We do not believe that there are other ways to Heaven or Salvation....Why? Because Jesus said He was THE ONLY WAY. John 14:6 ..That is why we are Christians....
He died for me...He paid the price for my sins and because of that, I will be in Heaven. where I do not deserve to be....
Some people understand this, some do not.
I am saved from eternal punishment by God's Mercy...His justice was poured out on His Son, Who was perfect and there was found NO sin in Him. .. Can you imagine that, me, a no good sinner, who will be escaping a punishment for all the sins I have commited, because Someone paid for what I did.
I am truley thankful.

Blessings.
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i say concietful? how can you say that you can get free admission into heaven? just because you procliam that you belive in Jesus? a first century revolutionary? wow, i can sin all i want and proclaim that and be truly sorry and believe in Jesus right before i die and float up to heaven?


its circlular reasoning saying that jesus is the only way.

anyone can attain God by believing in Him alone. christianity only used Jesus (who was a good man) to make everyone follow thier religion.

OPEN YOU EYES.

sheesh.
 
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Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
Gerani1248 said:
Zeke316 said:
Gerani;
Christians believe that Jesus is God in the flesh... He is Devine.
We do not believe that there are other ways to Heaven or Salvation....Why? Because Jesus said He was THE ONLY WAY. John 14:6 ..That is why we are Christians....
He died for me...He paid the price for my sins and because of that, I will be in Heaven. where I do not deserve to be....
Some people understand this, some do not.
I am saved from eternal punishment by God's Mercy...His justice was poured out on His Son, Who was perfect and there was found NO sin in Him. .. Can you imagine that, me, a no good sinner, who will be escaping a punishment for all the sins I have commited, because Someone paid for what I did.
I am truley thankful.

Blessings.
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i say concietful? how can you say that you can get free admission into heaven? just because you procliam that you belive in Jesus? a first century revolutionary? wow, i can sin all i want and proclaim that and be truly sorry and believe in Jesus right before i die and float up to heaven?


its circlular reasoning saying that jesus is the only way.

anyone can attain God by believing in Him alone. christianity only used Jesus (who was a good man) to make everyone follow thier religion.

OPEN YOU EYES.

sheesh.
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***Mod Post***

Please keep the peace. We are here to debate, not convert.
 
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Zeke316

Member
Gerani;
Like I say...It's not for everyone...Some people see the Truth and some don't. If you don't , I'm sorry.
Jesus said, "he that believes on he Son, has everlasting life..he that believes not the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him". John 3:36
My prayer is that you trust Him and be grateful for the salvation that only He has provided.

Blessings
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

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Zeke316 said:
Gerani;
Like I say...It's not for everyone...Some people see the Truth and some don't. If you don't , I'm sorry.
Jesus said, "he that believes on he Son, has everlasting life..he that believes not the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him". John 3:36
My prayer is that you trust Him and be grateful for the salvation that only He has provided.

Blessings
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I seek the truth, as any individual who thinks for themselves and does not swallow poisen that other people spoon feed, hoping to ensnare you into a tangle of confusion, away from God.

but as i say, jesus is buddha, Jesus is Krsna. Jesus is in everyone. now dont we have an invitation? thats what i believe.

remember that the bible is not the only scripture of God, he has reached people before the christians, remember that.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

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At least what Zeke is saying is slightly less contradictory than what most Christians say....that God loves you so much He sends you to hell.

Still, do not pity the lost individuals without a compass...only the people who have a faulty compass, but do not believe it, are truly lost.
 
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Zeke316

Member
I believe God has always reached people through His Word, whether it was before Jesus or after. He reached Adam, through His Word and everyone after him. .... As the bible says..."His word will live forever".
 
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LCMS Sprecher

Member
I would disagree with Zeke that God does not love everyone. This is mainly because, if he didn't he wouldn't send Christ to die for everyone. He sent Christ to die for all. Not for some, all. God is just, so he must punish us for our sins. He is also merciful, hence sending Christ to be a sacrifice in our stead. People will say that because people are going to hell, then God must not be merciful. It is funny how silly us humans are to think that God ows us something. He must be merciful, so he can't send us to hell. He demonstrated His mercy with the death of Christ on the cross. That is far more than any of us deserve.
 
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Ronald

Well-Known Member
Sinners and non-sinners will enter hell/she'ol/grave when they die. no one enters heaven except the one who came down from heaven.
Eternal/everlasting life is the gift of God to those who believe.
Entry into the gates of the City is granted to the Elect. The Elect are chosen by God. He will select those who believe and obey.
Refuse to believe and remain in rebellion an you earn the second death.
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Numero uno: we've got three dimensions oing down here: Hell, Eternal Life Land, and Heaven. Is this right?

Secondly, I don't see how it would be possible to earn a 'second death' when you're already dead.
 
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Ronald

Well-Known Member
Ceridwen018 said:
Numero uno: we've got three dimensions oing down here: Hell, Eternal Life Land, and Heaven. Is this right?

Secondly, I don't see how it would be possible to earn a 'second death' when you're already dead.
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The ressurection, (all are ressurected, in the second ressurection, when the thousand years end,) those who have done good, to their reward, those who continue in rebellion and doing evil to the second death.
 
Ardhanariswar

Ardhanariswar

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thousand years? hasnt it been a thousand years?


theres a difference between those who believe in christianity, and those who believe in Jesus.

Theres also a difference between those who truly believe in Jesus and His Teachings, than those who say they do, and practice otherwise in the name of religion.

There are similairity between those who believe in Jesus and His teachings, those who believe in other wise Teachers, those who believe in God, and those who believe in Goodness.
 
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Ronald

Well-Known Member
Almost seven.

The Godly, the ungodly and the form of godliness. Christianity
The righteous, the unrighteous and the intermediates. Judaism
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Ronald,

Why would god resurrect us if he's just going to kill us again? Does gor enjoy death?

Are you one of those who believes the earth has been around for only 6000 or so years?
 
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