DA vinci CODE is True?

Druidus said:

What many people fail to realize is how much was actually destroyed during the Nicene Councils. Whole books of the bible were destroyed. We're not talking about a passage or two, but whole chunks. It's no longer what it once was. In fact, I could give you several passages of the bible that refer to non-existent books.

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Most Christians i ask about this seem to either not know what im talking about, or say something to the effect of "Well if God wanted it in the Bible it would still be there. They need to realize men will makes things say what they WANT things to say.

Druidus said:

In fact, I could give you several passages of the bible that refer to non-existent books.

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Thanks for this.... I can't stop laughing..... beautiful!

Thanks for this.... I can't stop laughing..... beautiful!

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You disbelieve it? I will get them for you, if you wish.

Druidus said:

You disbelieve it? I will get them for you, if you wish.

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Please do.... I'd love to "see" something that does not exist.

DA vinci CODE is True?

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Yes, it's all true. That's why it's listed in the FICTION section at the bookstore.

anami said:

Good the fictional plot is, well, fictional. You'd be crazy if you thought it were real. The point BEYOND the plot is what i am referring to.

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you mean the idea of Jesus having children?
well lets see...
could Jesus have had children in his lifetime? Entirely possible...
could someone be walking around w/ a piece of this man in them at the genetice level? maybe...
this is all based on the idea that A) jesus was a real person and B) his blood line has not been killed off in the past 2000 years...

but i think the ideas presented in the Da Vinci Code...well lets just say they stretch a little bit far.....

I'd love to the see the references to non-existent books too. And while you're at it, how about some sources for your assertion that the Council of Nicea destroyed Scriptures? That certainly isn't in the acts of the council.

Now, if you're referring to deuterocannonical books, most of them do exist in the Roman Catholic Bible, a few more in the Orthodox Bible and even more in the Ethiopian Bible. They all still exist, Nicea had absolutely NOTHING to do with setting the canon, and the fact that you can't find books in a Protestant Bible really is no evidence that it isn't part of the Christian Scriptures.

Luckily we Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christians do not believe that the Bible is the sole basis of the Christian faith - we have Holy Tradition as well, and there is no evidence in that to suggest Christ was married or had children. The most laughable thing I can see about the Da Vinci code is that it revolves around a Roman Catholic conspiracy theory. If that were true, how come we Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox both appear to have been 'duped' by it too? After all, neither church accepts the authority of the Papacy over them, and nor have they ever done so.

James

Why would Jesus have no kids? I thought he was Jewish...

Also, no-one's mentioned the priory of sion - does that exist?

Seconde said:

Also, no-one's mentioned the priory of sion - does that exist?

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the what what?

Seconde said:

Why would Jesus have no kids? I thought he was Jewish...

Also, no-one's mentioned the priory of sion - does that exist?

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Yes, the Priory of Sion exists (for jewscout's edification, they're a secret society that believes the Merovingian kings of the Franks were descended from Christ) but so does the Flat Earth Society. The mere existence of a way out group doesn't mean their beliefs have any validity.

James

IacobPersul said:

Yes, the Priory of Sion exists (for jewscout's edification, they're a secret society that believes the Merovingian kings of the Franks were descended from Christ) but so does the Flat Earth Society. The mere existence of a way out group doesn't mean their beliefs have any validity.

James

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ooooo
see i had heard about a group that believed that but i didn't know what they were called.

truthseekingsoul said:

If the son of Jesus is still alive he must be even older than TVOR.

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LOL - I think he graduated two years ahead of me - and about 5 years behind Pah.

TVOR

Book of the Covenant Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
There are those that believe the Book of the Covenant is found in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of the Wars of the Lord
Numbers 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
Certain sources believe that this is to be found by drawing text from several Old Testament books. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of Jasher Here
Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes
1 Samuel 10:25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the Lord. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.

Book of Samuel the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

Nathan the Prophet
1 Chronicles 29:29Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,
2 Chronicles 9:29 [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,'Zurich BT',sans-serif] Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?[/font]

Acts of Solomon
1 Kings 11:41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

Shemaiah the Prophet
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Prophecy of Abijah
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Story of Prophet Iddo
2 Chronicles 13:22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.

Visions of Iddo the Seer
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Iddo Genealogies
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Book of Jehu
2 Chronicles 20:34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Sayings of the Seers Here
2 Chronicles 33:19 His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.

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Book of Enoch Here
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Book of Gad the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

Epistle to Corinth Here
1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

Epistle to the Ephesians (Missing)
Ephesians 3:3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians (Missing)
Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Nazarene Prophecy Source
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene

Acts of Uziah
2 Chronicles 26:22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

[size=+0]The Annals of King David
[/size] [size=+0]1 Chronicles 27:24[/size] [size=+0] Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David.
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Jude, the Missing Epistle
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

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Read the books in this link. Although not mentioned on the site, these books are thought of by some to have been removed from the original bible by Constantine.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/lost_forgotten_books.htm

It is perfectly normal for one who believes in the bible to also believe that it has never been altered. It is not, however, realistic, to assume that humans will not attempt to warp things to say what they wish it to.

jewscout said:

the what what?

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Have you not read the book in question?
You should read it before you debate about it.

jewscout said:

ooooo
see i had heard about a group that believed that but i didn't know what they were called.

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It isn't what they are called. That is one of the fictional parts.

anami said:

Have you not read the book in question?
You should read it before you debate about it.

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i think i can debate about whether or not this book holds any substance regardless of whether or not i've read it. You're asking about the ideas of the book not about the plot or character development. The ideas i know enough about to know that the book is right where it should be...in the ficiton section of your local library

SOGFPP said:

The DaVinci code is a work of fiction.... it has no more relevance to theology than Star Wars.

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Scott, my priest told me that the story of Noah, and Jonah, and others, were just stories, and did not really happen. Is this the way all Roman Catholics are taught, or was this just the opinion of one priest? And if you believe that the story of Noah was not an actual event, wouldn't this mean that the Bible is also "a work of fiction".

anami said:

It isn't what they are called. That is one of the fictional parts.

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yes but there is a group running around right now that hold those beliefs regardless of the origins of this name

EnhancedSpirit said:

Scott, my priest told me that the story of Noah, and Jonah, and others, were just stories, and did not really happen. Is this the way all Roman Catholics are taught, or was this just the opinion of one priest? And if you believe that the story of Noah was not an actual event, wouldn't this mean that the Bible is also "a work of fiction".

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i think there's a difference between religious scripture and the fables this book is loosely based on