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Christianity and the Ten Commandments

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jewscout

Religious Zionist
true blood said:
John 8 pointedly states... if ye continue in my word, are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

They key is believing the Word of God which is Truth and then know the Son who is the Way, the Truth and the Life. So in following God's Word and in knowing His Son, we will not only be free, but we shall be free indeed.

Psalms 103:11,12: For as the heaven is high above the earth, great is his mercy toward them that respect him.

As far as the east is from the west, far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
what does this mean?!?!:areyoucra
 

true blood

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Christianity laws... they differ alot from the time period known as the Age of Law. The time period we live in is the Age of the Church, with Christ Jesus the head. If you want to learn about the Age of the Law also known as the Curse of the Law, read Deuteronomy 28:15-61. Things actually befell those men who were disobedient to the law. Try it out, go outside of your home and curse the name of God. You will not be sticken with a fever, or an inflammation or an extreme burning, the Lord will not smite you with the botch of Egypt, or with emerods, or with the scab and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. The Lord will not smite you with madness and blindness and astonishment of heart. Nor will the Lord smite thee in the knees and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed. He will not bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt, every sickness, and every plague. I think you get the point but try it out to be certain. The Church, the body of believers, the called-out ones, is no longer under the curse of the law. They never were. Only Israel was, due to their disobediance. Instead of destroying Israel, Moses begged for their lives, therefor God bound them with the curse of the law.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
true blood said:
Christianity laws...
what law?? I see no law there. I see some philosophical fodder for the concept of what is "truth" but not law...

this was added after my reply...
true blood said:
James 1:21: Wherefore put off all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

The "engrafted word" is the total implanted Word of God which He planted so close to us who believe that we can absorb it until it becomes a part of us.
so what is "the Word of G-d" for christianity? Is this the Law? by your beliefs true blood should christians follow the Law?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
true blood said:
Christ Jesus is the law for the called-out. Our goal, our commandment is to put on the mind of Christ.
what does it mean to put on the "mind of Christ"?
 

true blood

Active Member
To be on par with the mind Christ had, oops has.

For in Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him...

Note that such completeness is incomprehensible to the finite human mind. At best, we can know for a certainty that we are lacking in nothing. You see our english meaning of the word "complete" does not convey the proper emphasis in this phrase found in the Scriptures. In Aramaic there are usually four different grammatical forms to show the intensity of a verb. English has no verb form which corresponds to this Aramaic form. I can explain more if anyone is interested but in the passage "complete in him" uses a conjugation called Shaphel in Hebrew, Yatair Yatir Marcobta in Estrangelo Aramic, or what would be an extra extensive form in English. It is actually only found a few times in the Bible. Very rarely used and difficult to translate. But here is an attempt to translate Colossians 2:10 as it is given in the Eshtaphal passive form of Shaphel form of the Aramaic: "We are completely, completely, absolutely complete in Him!"

Basicly changing thinking patterns, renewing ones mind to the absolute truth of The Word in believing that they are complete, for starters.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
but what does that mean for the Law of the Torah? Jesus was a Jew, does that mean, in your belief, that all christians should be observant of the Laws?
 

true blood

Active Member
Hmmm, it is interesting isn't it. Jesus was probably a Judean, not a Jew...I know, I know, they are the same, right? Probably, not. You see, Jesus was a lineal descendant of Shem, Abraham, and Jacob. You my friend are not. The real "Jews" belonged to that bloodline. You use the term "Jew" as to those applied to those who practice or claim a religion called for by the Old Testament and the Talmud. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical law and tradition which was put in its present form two or three centuries after Christ. Even by the time of Christ, the Judean religion deteriorated into Pharisaism which was based more or less on their traditions rather then the Scriptures. It's kind of become comical how the world uses the term Jew. If you read the Scriptures you would learn that many, many descendants of the twelve tribes are not, racially speaking, "Judeans". By translating the word "Jew" instead of "Judean", people are now confused. People now relate Biblical prophecies concerning Israel and Judah to many modern day "Jews" to whom these prophecies do not pertain. The impact goes without saying. Terms like "Semitic" and "anti-semitic" would become void of meaning as commonly used.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
3 key questions that should be considered and are associated with the laws of God

What is the PRIMARY function of God's law?

What is the penalty,cost,consequence for violation of such laws?

How must one atone,redeem,exonerate,justify one' self from the violation of God's law ?

If indeed God has insituted such laws and He changes not , he is the same yesterday ,today and forever, then what he spoke of these laws must also remain.
I understand the ceremonial laws have become obsolete Heb 8;7-13,we go thru Jesus to appease God and recieve forgiveness no longer an outward adherence to practices,but a condition of the heart turned towards Jesus.
civll law change with culture and civil and or social conditions,but remains to be needed and enforced
Moral law These laws remain forever
The first 5 mosaic laws are associated to the devotion,honor,reverence and obedience to God
The remaining 5 MOSIAC laws are associated and directed to fellow man.
Therfore Jesus came to fulfill the law by stating two new laws that hinged on the original mosaic law
Love your God with all your heart,soul,mind and strength = the 5 mosiac laws
And love your neighbor as yourself = the latter 5 mosiac laws

I believe the answers will be found in what God always seems to use to illustrate His messages ,parables and natural illustrations to bring home a spiritual message or truth

The law of gravity should entail the same answers as that which is above,

What is the primary function of the law Gravity, ? shows us our limitations,boundaries and dependencies on that of fate or destiny, daily we egotistically go beyond those boundries,butto the christain it would be the hand of God preserving their life, not to tempt or taunt life,but to value

What is the penalty for such a violation of the law of gravity?,death,cease to exist, tremination,
causing other physical laws that regulate our physical make to be violated leading to ceaseation

What could it be that justifies us or redeems us if the law of gravity laws is violated?
The definance of one law with another, using air mattress, using perpulsions from a mechanical source that requires fuel energy to defy the existing law of gravity,

All laws can be altered and defied by many different means but what remains intact is the laws themselves as well as their purpose ,consequences , potential of atonement
 
The ten commsnadments were put into enactment as somwthing more than a tool for a legendary source of involvement. After-all the leviticous is written right after the Exodus. It is a source of sacrifice, and the capacity to regard the original SIN as the legendary source for the Facts of life. It is clear that Moses really existed and the creator of the tabernacle for the means for blood being at the NEED for peace. The eseence of its freedom to make into Law follows the essence to be at choosing one's life. It meant a stabilization of the profession to be a Christian when all else fails.

And besides with it the two great commandments, the ability to forgive is like a guarantee for all Christians the right to understand that basic demand...:tsk: for even any Nation in the formed constitution.

How many Nations can really accomplish this? I believe it is pompous for anyone to be assured of such a measure of good faith.:eek:
 

true blood

Active Member
I'm not sure about that Roli, some of it yes but other points no. Christ Jesus fulfilled all the laws and then on top of that he destroyed others. Consider the "shape-shifting", the "teleportation", "ascending up into the clouds", the "passing through walls", "walking on water" "raising people from the dead" and so on.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
:banghead3

Chris
What are you tying to say if you don't mind me asking,you got alot of stuff goin on here with no real point!!,at least that I can decipher.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
true blood said:
I'm not sure about that Roli, some of it yes but other points no. Christ Jesus fulfilled all the laws and then on top of that he destroyed others. Consider the "shape-shifting", the "teleportation", "ascending up into the clouds", the "passing through walls", "walking on water" "raising people from the dead" and so on.
I did. In fact, I consder it a ridiculous fairy-tail. You seem rather sure about the legitimacy and accomplishments of some figicidal ( ;) ) neurotic. Do you have any particular justification for these assumptions?
 

true blood

Active Member
Deut. 32.8 said:
I did. In fact, I consder it a ridiculous fairy-tail. You seem rather sure about the legitimacy and accomplishments of some figicidal ( ;) ) neurotic. Do you have any particular justification for these assumptions?
Doesn't matter. Did Jesus Christ declare that there is no God, that God is dead, that there is no resurrection, no return, that praying is psychologically good for the one praying only, that God cannot deliver, that the Bible is full of myths, interpolations and inaccuracies? Had Jesus stopped living The Word because of what people said, He would not have been our Savior. Had he been swayed by what the neighbors said, by what society said, He never would have walked perfectly in fellowship with His Father. So we should walk "even as He walked". And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as He is.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
true blood said:
I'm not sure about that Roli, some of it yes but other points no. Christ Jesus fulfilled all the laws and then on top of that he destroyed others. Consider the "shape-shifting", the "teleportation", "ascending up into the clouds", the "passing through walls", "walking on water" "raising people from the dead" and so on.
What are you saying he does not create visions ,dreams, open heaven experiences ,heavenly encounters etc, I have friends who are experience thse on a regular basis ,
Have you ever witnessed a womans womb being recreated or a 12 yr old boy with cancer of the brain ,in our church on a hospital gurney or stretcher, with doctors reports of his terminal cancer in his hand,told he would not live past 10 more days but encounter a miracle touch and recover completely from the the disease. countless others,god is i the healing business,you need to only associate yourself around those who have the faith to believe,you must believe.
I had a man speak over my life last Sunday at a friends church ,no one new my wife and I and he spoke such accurate prophetic words, that no way he could have known ,bringing my wife to tears,
My wife and I witnessed a young girl who was deaf in one hear, recieve her hearing.amazing stories

But I don't share this to open my self for arguement or debate but that if you believe you will receive and Jesus has said many times you will do greater things then he is doing
My question to you is where and what do you place your faith in and is it producing for you,exactly what your looking for
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Christopher Krajewski said:
The ten commsnadments were put into enactment as somwthing more than a tool for a legendary source of involvement. After-all the leviticous is written right after the Exodus. It is a source of sacrifice, and the capacity to regard the original SIN as the legendary source for the Facts of life. It is clear that Moses really existed and the creator of the tabernacle for the means for blood being at the NEED for peace. The eseence of its freedom to make into Law follows the essence to be at choosing one's life. It meant a stabilization of the profession to be a Christian when all else fails.

And besides with it the two great commandments, the ability to forgive is like a guarantee for all Christians the right to understand that basic demand...:tsk: for even any Nation in the formed constitution.

How many Nations can really accomplish this? I believe it is pompous for anyone to be assured of such a measure of good faith.:eek:
Did you get my last post Chris I forgot to place your quote in my response it's on page 4 I believe
 

true blood

Active Member
Roli, I was not saying God doesn't do those things, my post wasn't clear, Im sorry about that. I do believe. Believing equals receiving for everyone.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
You see, Jesus was a lineal descendant of Shem, Abraham, and Jacob... The real "Jews" belonged to that bloodline...If you read the Scriptures you would learn that many, many descendants of the twelve tribes are not, racially speaking, "Judeans"
no only one was...the tribe of Judah, from which the words Jew and Judaism come from for it was Judah that was not sent out w/ the 10 tribes when Babylon came, it was Judah that survived...

The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical law and tradition which was put in its present form two or three centuries after Christ. Even by the time of Christ, the Judean religion deteriorated into Pharisaism which was based more or less on their traditions rather then the Scriptures
first i should point out that every single mitzvot is supported by scripture and was decreed as a covenant between the nation of israel and HaShem for all time

secondly, my friend, if this is your case for the invalidity of the present jewish faith i could make the exact same case for every...single...christian sect

In the first three centuries of the Christian Church, there was no New Testament canon that was universally recognized
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_testament#The_canonization_of_the_New_Testament

including your own faith wich did not emerge until the end of the 19th century
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
true blood...i'd like to know which part of the Tanach ("old testament") you get the idea that mitzvot are a "curse"...where does G-d say "i will curse you with My laws"? or even allude to that?
 

true blood

Active Member
I suggest you look into the Khazar Empire. Some historians consider it to have been the most powerful empire of its day, stronger then the empires of Rome and Islam. They were Gentiles and converted to a form of the Judean religion and having no written language, they adopted the Hebrew script and took on many customs and words associated with their new religious beliefs, degrading the Pharisaic religion further. As this empire declined they migrated into eastern Europe to form the cradle of modern Jewry. This evidence indicates that Khazar heritage dominates the genetic make-up of most modern Jews. Eventually they became associated with the Judeans of the Bible. This is where the term Jew developed. Funny thing is that they are not decendants, therefore not real "Jews". They are not decendants of the Biblical Tribes.


The tribe of Benjamin wasn't sent as well as the tribe of Judah, when Babylon came. The term "Judah" referrs to the southern kingdom. But being a Judean by religion did not then and still does not now make one a Judean by nationality or descent.
 
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