Christianity and the Ten Commandments

Pah · Apr 28, 2005

From another thread

Because Christians are no longer bound by the mosaic law. The mosaic law was completely fullfilled in the messiah, Jesus. Jesus did away with the old law and instituted a new one; the law of love. The Mosaic law was simply a "mirror" for the Jews for them to realize they could not follow the law perfectly and needed a savior. Jesus was the only Human in history besides Adam who had the ability to perfectly follow that law code

My questions:

How pervasive is this thought of a fillfilled law in the evangelical community?
How would those Christians (assuming that these are evangelicals - I have no data) who want the Ten Commandments posted in government buildings justify that thought with the display of the Ten commandments?

jewscout · Apr 28, 2005

pah you read my mind!
it's like...so the laws were done away with right? So i can sleep w/ my sister? or a dog?:sarcastic

Pah · Apr 28, 2005

jewscout said:
pah you read my mind!
it's like...so the laws were done away with right? So i can sleep w/ my sister? or a dog?:sarcastic

That word of God spoken by Jesus would also allow the eating of the tree of knowledge - would it not? We have already see many of the laws, amongst those of purity, selectively followed by some Christians. I really would like some views as to why the Ten Commandments is selectively chosen to become such a grand principle of evangelicals when Jesus himself revised the ten into two.

jewscout · Apr 28, 2005

bumpin it up...

Ori · Apr 28, 2005

Jesus said he come to fufill the law, not dispose of it.

jewscout · Apr 28, 2005

orichalcum said:
Jesus said he come to fufill the law, not dispose of it.

fulfill them in what sense?

Melody · Apr 28, 2005

pah said:
From another thread My questions:

How pervasive is this thought of a fillfilled law in the evangelical community?

How would those Christians (assuming that these are evangelicals - I have no data) who want the Ten Commandments posted in government buildings justify that thought with the display of the Ten commandments?

I'm striking out on a number of threads as far as making myself understood, so I have little hope I'll do better here...but here goes.

Based on the churches I've been attending lately (evangelical baptist), the explanation of Mosaic law that you quoted above is an accurate belief and commonly held in the evangelical community. However, while we are not bound specifically by the 10 commandments, they are still commandments we will not break since to do so would go against everything Jesus taught. How can you show love, compassion and mercy to someone if you're committing adultery, coveting their property, committing murder, etc.?

Based on conversations with other Christians, most see the 10 commandments as more of a moral guidebook that everyone can benefit from and less as a religious "law".

I'm not taking sides since I really don't care.

Ori · Apr 28, 2005

Basically he was the fulfillment of Gods law, essentially maintaing the previous laws, but also finishing them for the last time with the added bonus of love for everyone.

jewscout · Apr 28, 2005

orichalcum said:
Basically he was the fulfillment of Gods law, essentially maintaing the previous laws, but also finishing them for the last time with the added bonus of love for everyone.

how did he fulfil say...

jewfaq.org said:
Not to tear the High Kohein's robe (Ex. 28:32)

or

jewfaq.org said:
To send the unclean out of the Camp of the Shechinah, that is, out of the Sanctuary (Num. 5:2

Ori · Apr 28, 2005

To send the unclean out of the Camp of the Shechinah, that is, out of the Sanctuary.

Well, as he cleaned everyone with his sacrifice ( or supposed sacrifice I should say ), everyone who goes against the laws are defiling themselves, thus sending themselves away.

jewscout · Apr 28, 2005

orichalcum said:
Well, as he cleaned everyone with his sacrifice ( or supposed sacrifice I should say ), everyone who goes against the laws are defiling themselves, thus sending themselves away.

so are the Laws still in effect or not?

Pah · Apr 28, 2005

Melody said:
I'm striking out on a number of threads as far as making myself understood, so I have little hope I'll do better here...but here goes.

Based on the churches I've been attending lately (evangelical baptist), the explanation of Mosaic law that you quoted above is an accurate belief and commonly held in the evangelical community. However, while we are not bound specifically by the 10 commandments, they are still commandments we will not break since to do so would go against everything Jesus taught. How can you show love, compassion and mercy to someone if you're committing adultery, coveting their property, committing murder, etc.?

Based on conversations with other Christians, most see the 10 commandments as more of a moral guidebook that everyone can benefit from and less as a religious "law".

I'm not taking sides since I really don't care.

I don't know about others but I generally understand what you say although we may not agree. In this case, however, I agree with "a moral guidebook" (well except for the first four but you understand that coming from me). The morality expressed there is coincident in most secular moralities.

And I'll respect that you do not take sides - it's an issue fraught with emotion. My thought, though, is my agruement going to be valid before, say, a school board? - are there enough Christians that would support the arguement?

Bob

wiskeychris · Apr 28, 2005

Thanks to the thread starter for using my quote. It looks like some of you understand this. The mosaic law is no longer binding, but the principals are. The mosaic law gave us a very good idea of what God would expect of a perfect person; it would be foolish to ignore it. Jesus instituted the law of love : "you must love Jehovah your god with your whole heart, soul, strength , and mind/ and you must love you neighbor as yourself.
If you think about it, this new law encompases the principals of the Mosaic law.

linwood · Apr 28, 2005

wiskeychris
The mosaic law is no longer binding, but the principals are. The mosaic law gave us a very good idea of what God would expect of a perfect person; it would be foolish to ignore it. Jesus instituted the law of love : "you must love Jehovah your god with your whole heart, soul, strength , and mind/ and you must love you neighbor as yourself.

However ALL Christians ignore and/or break mosaic laws daily, hourly at times.
I understand the seperation of the law from the moral but I have a few problems with the Christian duplicity in asserting these morals.

1: Christians, ALL Christians pick and choose which moral codes found in the mosaic laws to follow and have many different rationalizations for doing so.
2: The fact that these laws aren`t even technically binding on any Christian today is made a mockery by Christians who attempt to force derivatives of these laws on non-Christians.
If they aren`t binding for a Christian they sure shouldn`t be binding an infidel.

By the way, it`s nice to meet you.

Pah...
... My thought, though, is my agruement going to be valid before, say, a school board? - are there enough Christians that would support the arguement?

Your argument would be valid but unwise.
If you ever had need to stand before a school board and argue this you would be giving too much ground at your first statement by even admitting it mattered in a secular system.
However the acceptance factor is far more important than the validity of your argument.
It would depend on the people sitting on the school board and what their beliefs are.
Even more importantly would be gauging the beliefs on their constituents minds (Parents).

Melody · Apr 28, 2005

pah said:
My thought, though, is my agruement going to be valid before, say, a school board? - are there enough Christians that would support the arguement?

Bob

Support the argument to.....? Sorry...been a long day.

Pah · Apr 28, 2005

Melody said:
Support the argument to.....? Sorry...been a long day.

...that the Ten Commandments should not be a symbol of Christianity becuse the law was accomplished by Jesus.

But Linwood makes a point born of his experience.

john313 · Apr 29, 2005

why did Jesus make a point of saying the law will not change one jot or one tittle until heaven and earth pass away if the laws of moses no longer apply?

Pah · Apr 29, 2005

john313 said:
why did Jesus make a point of saying the law will not change one jot or one tittle until heaven and earth pass away if the laws of moses no longer apply?

I had forgotten that but there still remains a question of "selection". Not all the law is endorsed today.

jewscout · Apr 29, 2005

wiskeychris said:
Thanks to the thread starter for using my quote. It looks like some of you understand this. The mosaic law is no longer binding, but the principals are. The mosaic law gave us a very good idea of what God would expect of a perfect person; it would be foolish to ignore it. Jesus instituted the law of love : "you must love Jehovah your god with your whole heart, soul, strength , and mind/ and you must love you neighbor as yourself.
If you think about it, this new law encompases the principals of the Mosaic law.

well actually that quote comes from Deut., it is part of the Shema, the declaration of faith in Judaism...

V-ahavta et Adonai Elohecha b-chol l'vavcha u-v-chol naf'sh'cha u-v-chol m'odecha.
And you shall love the Lord your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

if the principles are the only thing binding why do some christians pick and choose to follow the letter of the certain laws when it best suits them?

true blood · Apr 29, 2005

John 8 pointedly states... if ye continue in my word, are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

They key is believing the Word of God which is Truth and then know the Son who is the Way, the Truth and the Life. So in following God's Word and in knowing His Son, we will not only be free, but we shall be free indeed.

Psalms 103:11,12: For as the heaven is high above the earth, great is his mercy toward them that respect him.

As far as the east is from the west, far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

James 1:21: Wherefore put off all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

The "engrafted word" is the total implanted Word of God which He planted so close to us who believe that we can absorb it until it becomes a part of us.

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