Why Some Christians Become Militant Atheists

HoldemDB9 · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
Yah uhmm welcome to ignore. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. And you dont know how to count rofl. Sometimes my signature just doesnt lie. Good day.

What did I tell you people, as soon as this troll gets proved wrong BANG, you're on his ignore list. And Enoch07 am I reading your response correctly? Have you actually said here that Tristesse cant count, when you yourself cannot do 5th grade math???!!!

Cant you remember what you said in another thread? If not, Ill remind you to show why you have no right to say to someone "you cannot count". This is what you said...

"Everyone either will or will not become Christian, therefore everyone has a 50% chance of becoming Christian" - Enoch07. This is going in my signature as soon at it starts working because its THAT hilarious. All though it is rather sad when you think about how a grown adult can be this stupid, scary.

emiliano · Apr 20, 2009

darkendless said:
You know some stupid people then. Science works independent of God. Im my field which is geology we don't bother with accounting for God nor standing around a computer laughing at his non-existance. My boss is Catholic, but unlike a lot of Catholics, he accepts evolution for what he can see and understand (like most people who are clued up).
Perhaps the people you know are aware of the work some churches do. A church south of me took 15% of my fathers work mates pay check. He was stupid, but the church shouldn't have taken it when they knew he had a mortgage. Then there's the Vatican, i would be interested to know how rich those guys are.

Lets be clear, the bible is not about science, and real science doesn't care about God.

Well Darkenless one day I may meet one of the other kind, I have not had much luck so far, it seems that there is a greater supply of the stupid ones. I have told you that science and religion in are completely different fields, but there are those that think that science demands atheism and there are religious people that think that scientific research may diminish the owe that we feel when science discover the wondrous work of the things created, there is no danger in that at all but as they say it take all kinds. Are you surprised that your boss is a Catholic and believe that evolution is true? Did you have a look at the video the language of God that I recommended to you?
Now to your father, have you asked him why he gives 15% of what he have to his Church? If you are talking about donations and tithes say it, dont say that Church took their money as if the Church stole it, and dont be dishonest. What do you think that the Church does with the money that people entrust them with? Did you know that some of the most valuable item are been entrusted to them as guardians of humanitys treasure.

darkendless · Apr 20, 2009

emiliano said:
Well Darkenless one day I may meet one of the other kind, I have not had much luck so far, it seems that there is a greater supply of the stupid ones. I have told you that science and religion in are completely different fields, but there are those that think that science demands atheism and there are religious people that think that scientific research may diminish the owe that we feel when science discover the wondrous work of the things created, there is no danger in that at all but as they say it take all kinds. Are you surprised that your boss is a Catholic and believe that evolution is true? Did you have a look at the video the language of God that I recommended to you?
Now to your father, have you asked him why he gives 15% of what he have to his Church? If you are talking about donations and tithes say it, dont say that Church took their money as if the Church stole it, and dont be dishonest. What do you think that the Church does with the money that people entrust them with? Did you know that some of the most valuable item are been entrusted to them as guardians of humanitys treasure.

I think my boss believes in evolution because he can see how it works in Geotechnical engineering. There is no other way to explain it. Belief in God does not hinder his profession because there is no reason for it to. Belief in God does not mean you can't accept evolution, unless you believe in young earth creationism, in which case, he would be a terrible geotech. Especially when we're dealing with rock strata over 10 million years old haha.

The church asked for donations, i know they all do to survive. But he is a very regular patron of the church and i am assuming they know a lot about him. He has 2 kids going through high school, and 15% of hig wage is a considerable amount. I think they would be moral by saying "we need only half what you give," because he's on 60K a year. $173 a week (60,000 / 52 x 15%) is a lot of money to simply give away when you have a morgage and a family to feed.

Beaudreaux · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
When the bible refers to death it does not always mean of the physical body. Death when used in the bible can also refer to the death of your soul which equates to damnation. If you are judged to be damned then your "blood will be on your own hands" because you made choice to not ask for repentance and erase your own sins.

Death can also refer to Satan in alot of instances but not in this instance.

But this was not God saying that HE would snuff our their souls. This was one of several laws God gave to His people for THEM to enforce. If you were gay back then and got caught, you got stoned (and not in a good way).

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

Beaudreaux said:
But this was not God saying that HE would snuff our their souls. This was one of several laws God gave to His people for THEM to enforce. If you were gay back then and got caught, you got stoned (and not in a good way).

That may be how you interpret it. But not I sir. I do not wish to kill anyone unless they attack me first. In the Old Testament God also accepted burnt offerings. Why does He not ask for burnt offerings anymore?

Beaudreaux · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
Homosexuality is a sin, but so is masturbation and lots of other things people do everyday. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is unforgivable. Does God approve of it. No. But he still loves you, He just does'nt approve of how you live your life. Surely alot gay people who have come out of the closet can understand that. For those that have parents that love them no matter what, but don't exactly approve of your lifestyle.

I admit I am just a man, I make mistakes, but when I read that verse in the bible it does not tell me to kill gay people. It simple states that homosexuality is wrong and if gay people do not repent of it then they have damned themselves to hell. I have several gay friends who consider themselves Christians and believe this to be true as well.

Do you ever stop and wonder why your interpretation of the Bible is so far out of sync with that of mainstream Judeo/Christianity? You would be hard pressed to find a single scholar of the Bible who agrees with you on this. I must say that whenever I present an unpalatable Bible passage to a Christian, they often say the same thing. "That's not really what it means." Read the rest of Leviticus 20. God calls for the death of adulterers, children who speak back to their parents, and several other misdeeds. BTW, he also calls for the exile of couples who sleep together during the woman's period. These are handed down to the Jewish people as LAWS, but I'm sure you will say that they are really just admonitions against committing those acts. Those ancient Jews misinterpreted God's intent. Honestly, how many mental gymnastics do you have to do to make the Bible fit your vision of what it should be?

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

And actually if you want to get technical about it there is only 1 justification for killing someone according to the Bible. He who slay a man by sword shall be slain by the sword himself. Which is to say we are only allowed to kill someone who has murdered someone else. Which is why the U.S and many other countries often execute murderers via death penalty law.

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

Beaudreaux said:
Do you ever stop and wonder why your interpretation of the Bible is so far out of sync with that of mainstream Judeo/Christianity? You would be hard pressed to find a single scholar of the Bible who agrees with you on this. I must say that whenever I present an unpalatable Bible passage to a Christian, they often say the same thing. "That's not really what it means." Read the rest of Leviticus 20. God calls for the death of adulterers, children who speak back to their parents, and several other misdeeds. BTW, he also calls for the exile of couples who sleep together during the woman's period. These are handed down to the Jewish people as LAWS, but I'm sure you will say that they are really just admonitions against committing those acts. Those ancient Jews misinterpreted God's intent. Honestly, how many mental gymnastics do you have to do to make the Bible fit your vision of what it should be?

None I will admit I am rare. And definately not part of mainstream Christianity. I will tell you there is others out there like me though. We are few and far between though. I do not have to agree with the mainstream, I believe what I believe because it is what my heart tells me. I am sorry that you think murder is an ok thing to do, just because you believe the Bible tells you that. I think you should take a long hard look at yourself if you believe cold blooded murder is Ok.

Smoke · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
zomg i made a mistake so sue me.

That seems excessive.

McBell · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
And actually if you want to get technical about it there is only 1 justification for killing someone according to the Bible. He who slay a man by sword shall be slain by the sword himself. Which is to say we are only allowed to kill someone who has murdered someone else. Which is why the U.S and many other countries often execute murderers via death penalty law.

You really need to re-read the Bible:

Thou Shalt not kill unless the one being killed:
rejects the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God (Deuteronomy 17:12)
is a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13)
acts as a medium or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27)
strikes his father or mother(Exodus 21:15)
curses his father or mother (Proverbs 20:20) (Leviticus 20:9)
commits adultry (Leviticus 20:10)
follows another religion (Exodus 22:19)(Numbers 25:1-9)
are nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
are not a virgin on wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
speaks blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16)
working on the sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15)
is the son of a sinner (Isaiah 14:21)

And a small list of Biblically justified capital punishment:

Death was the punishment of:
striking or even reviling a parent (Exodus 21:15; Exodus 21:17);
blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14; Leviticus 24:16; Leviticus 24:23);
Sabbath-breaking (Numbers 15:32-36);
witchcraft (Exodus 22:18);
adultery (Leviticus 20:10);
rape (Deuteronomy 22:25);
incestuous and unnatural connection (Leviticus 20:11; Leviticus 20:14; Leviticus 20:16);
man stealing (Exodus 21:16),
idolatry (Leviticus 20:2).

There are several different methods used in the Bible to execute the capital punishment:

burning (Genesis 38:24; Leviticus 20:14; Daniel 3:6),
hanging (Numbers 25:4; Deuteronomy 21:22; Deuteronomy 21:23; Joshua 8:29; 2 Samuel 21:12; Esther 7:9; Esther 7:10),
crucifying (Matthew 20:19; Matthew 27:35),
beheading (Genesis 40:19; Mark 6:16; Mark 6:27),
slaying with the sword (1 Samuel 15:33; Acts 12:2),
stoning (Leviticus 24:14; Deuteronomy 13:10; Acts 7:59),
cutting in pieces (Daniel 2:5; Matthew 24:51),
sawing asunder (Hebrews 11:37),
exposing to wild beasts (Daniel 6:16; Daniel 6:24; 1 Corinthians 15:32),
bruising in mortars (Proverbs 27:22),
casting headlong from a rock (2 Chronicles 25:12),
casting into the sea (Matthew 18:6)

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

Smoke said:
That seems excessive.

I am sorry you must be perfect to be such an expert on mistakes eh?

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

Mestemia said:
You really need to re-read the Bible:
Thou Shalt not kill unless the one being killed
rejects the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God (Deuteronomy 17:12)
is a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13)
acts as a medium or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27)
strikes his father or mother(Exodus 21:15)
curses his father or mother (Proverbs 20:20) (Leviticus 20:9)
commits adultry (Leviticus 20:10)
follows another religion (Exodus 22:19)(Numbers 25:1-9)
are nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
are not a virgin on wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
speaks blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16)
working on the sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15)
is the son of a sinner (Isaiah 14:21)

If you believe this then why are you not out enforcing it?

McBell · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
If you believe this then why are you not out enforcing it?

you really are a piece of work.
I just flat out showed that you are completely wrong about what the Bible says about killing and this is all you can come back with?

Wow

Smoke · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
I am sorry you must be perfect to be such an expert on mistakes eh?

You really need to lighten up. If it bothers you so much to have your errors of fact corrected, you're going to have a rough time of it on this or any forum.

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

No I am trying to prove a point. If you don't believe in it why would you enforce it. I don't believe God wants me to kill anyone. So therefore I do not.

I am not roughed up. You apparently think your better than everyone else, because you pointed out a mistake. Big whoop the worlds moves on. Live and let live.

BucephalusBB · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
I am not roughed up. You apparently think your better than everyone else, because you pointed out a mistake. Big whoop the worlds moves on. Live and let live.

If he corrected you and he was right, wich he was, than indeed he was better than you. You can also thank him for correcting you and helping you learn instead of big whooping him..

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

Bouncing Ball said:
If he corrected you and he was right, wich he was, than indeed he was better than you. You can also thank him for correcting you and helping you learn instead of big whooping him..

It was a simple mistake, it is a big no whoop. Haha Why are you making such a big deal of it? Oh yeah wich is spelled which. Guess I am better than you!

Smoke · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
I am not roughed up. You apparently think your better than everyone else, because you pointed out a mistake. Big whoop the worlds moves on. Live and let live.

Everybody makes mistakes. Not everybody behaves like a petulant child when they're pointed out.

Enoch07 · Apr 20, 2009

And you can't just let it be? You have to point it out over and over makes you not childish. Come on use some common sense please.

BucephalusBB · Apr 20, 2009

Enoch07 said:
It was a simple mistake, it is a big no whoop. Haha Why are you making such a big deal of it? Oh yeah wich is spelled which. Guess I am better than you!

I asume you are as my native language isn't english.

He simply corrected you, I believe it was you who made a big deal out of it.
But indeed, we better get back to the OP now..

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