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The Sabboth: Saturday or Sunday

SaraLee

Member
My neighbor is a Seventh Day Adventis and invited me to attend a church. They meet on Saturday mornings and from their understanding the Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. If the Sabbath is a Saturday, why do so many Christian organizations celebrate it on Sunday?
SaraLee
 

Pah

Uber all member
SaraLee said:
My neighbor is a Seventh Day Adventis and invited me to attend a church. They meet on Saturday mornings and from their understanding the Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. If the Sabbath is a Saturday, why do so many Christian organizations celebrate it on Sunday?
SaraLee
It is in observance of the empty tomb - a departure from the commandments

-pah-
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Replacement theology - the relentless and near vitriolic efforts of early Christians to excise all hints of Judaic practices from their predominantly Gentile sect.
 

Watcher

The Gunslinger
When the early church was voting about what our religion should be like (under Emperor Constatine, who, by the way, was NOT christian) they decided to move it from Saturday to Sunday. This made things simpler to mesh with the pagan religions. Wow, every Sunday people sit in church basically paying tribute to the sun god. Sun being the key part of Sunday.
 

SaraLee

Member
Hum, thanks pah, Deut.32:8 and Watcher....from what I think I hear you saying, the Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. I am ah, stunned about this because Christians I know are so adamant about living the truth of the Bible and their beliefs and I am amiss that they would use the wrong day as the Sabbath. Am I missing something or doesn't it matter that the wrong day of the week is used?
SaraLee
 
Actually, the early fellowships of Christ had no set day to meet. They all went form house to house in meetings! Watcher is very correct in that Constantine set up a lot of rules for all religions to meet in his cities so he could keep an eye on all of them!
The fellowship in Israel meet on a Sunday the first day of the week to take up an offering, it seems this was taken as a time to meet and the rest is history! In the spirit we are to enter his "rest" and there is an eternal Sabbath of peace and rest that one can enter everyday!
Peace
 
Incedently PAH, I like your qoute by Carl Sagan. I know another famous person who was qouted after being asked if he believed in God, "I don't have to believe,I know"....
Carl Jung! Anyone can "believe" but to know God is a real experience.
Peace
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
SaraLee said:
I am ah, stunned about this because Christians I know are so adamant about living the truth of the Bible and their beliefs and I am amiss that they would use the wrong day as the Sabbath. Am I missing something or doesn't it matter that the wrong day of the week is used?
SaraLee


No , not really . :) If you talk to your nieghbour , you will also find that they measure the day from sunset to sunset , not midnight to midnight . There has been many calendars and methods to measure time . The Bible says that Jesus stated that the Sabbath was created for man , man was not created for the Sabbath . So it doesn't really matter , does it ?
 
It really does matter or it would not be written !
I think the true Sabbath is on Saturday not Sunday .
Also there is scientific proof that if you rest from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, that it is very good for the body and mind.
So I think that Saturday must be the true Sabbath.
So rest on Saturday, but pray and be with GOD everyday.
Makes sense to me !
As far as when you go to church, do not forget you are the temple ( SO KEEP YOURSELF CLEAN )
GOD bless
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Deut. 32.8 said:
Replacement theology - the relentless and near vitriolic efforts of early Christians to excise all hints of Judaic practices from their predominantly Gentile sect.
Great first part; I agree and haven't been able to state it that concisely. I have copied it for future use.

But then -- any religion saying that the Tanak is a holy book to them must be Jewish, no?
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Lostinthisworld said:
Also there is scientific proof that if you rest from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, that it is very good for the body and mind.
Probably because after a hard week of work you need a break!
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Not just the Sun God, Watcher.

Monday : Moon Day
Teusday : Tiw's Day
Wednesday : Woden (Odin)'s Day
Thurday : Thor's Day
Friday : Frey(a) Day
Saturday : Saturnalius' Day
Sunday : Sun Day

Really, our week is full of pagan Gods!
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Yes, the Sabbath day is Saturday. Christians do not observe the Sabbath but commemorate the Lord's Day on Sunday to celebrate the Lord's resurrection on the first day of the week. We have always taught that the true Sabbath is the rest that God provides in Jesus not the rest that humans initiates when they observe the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, F18 not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " F19 although the works

We see here that the promise of rest is not observing Saturday but belief in Jesus, the word of the Gospel.
 

alex60

Member
The last day of the week is Saturday,it is the Sabboth.We Christians are following everything pagen,Sunday(sun-god),Christmas(birthday of sun-god),Easter(Spring festival of the godess Astra,hence the eggs and rabbits).What the hell,everything is symbolic,it is only the faith that matters.Don't worry about the inter-denominational differences,anybody who calls upon the name of Jesus will be saved.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The Adventists are correct.

Historically Sabbath is Saturday. One of the early ecumenical councils switched it to Sunday and condemned those who kept the Sabbath as "judaizing (sp?)."

This is historically unambiguous. You can Google on ecumenical councils and read the original proclamations. I've also seen Seventh Day Adventist pamphlets outlining the history.
 

ayani

member
Druidus said:
Really, our week is full of pagan Gods!
yep! that's why early Quakers replaced the days of the week with numbered days... Sunday became "First Day", Monday became "Second Day", etc.

as to the day that sabbath is supposed to fall on, i see the idea of sabbath as potentially counter-productive spiritually. i know too many people who just save up "religion" for one day of the week, and conveniently forget the lessons they heard that day for the remainder.

religion ought not to be something we "go to" once a week, it should be something we actively live out daily.
 

truthagain

New Member
613 law were not written by Moses but BY
the Helenistic Jews during the time between Malchi and Matthew . During this time God didn't send a prophet to Israel, so the Pharisees and Sadducees studied in Alexandria, and they combine paganism with the Mis-interpretation of Sabbatical laws , which is summarized in the Oral law ,but later written in the Mishnah and other books, these laws are not What the bible teaches but the traditions of the ELDERS , THEY ASKED THE QUESTIONS TO JESUS, BUT JESUS ASKED THEM WHY DO YOU BREAK GOD'S COMMANDMENTS BY YOUR TRADITIONS , THIS IS WHAT MANY CHURCHES ARE DOING TODAY FOLLOWING THE TRADITIONS OF SUNDAY PAGANISTIC WORSHIP , JESUS IS ASKING YOU WHY ARE YOU BREAKING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND FOLLOWING THE TRADITION OF MEN ? IN MATTHEW 15:2-3-8,9
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE 613 LAWS, THEY SAID , IF AN ANIMAL FELL IN A PIT ON THE SABBATH DAY, THEY WILL HELP THE ANIMAL ,BUT IF SOMEONE NEEDS HELP ON THE SABBATH DAY , THEY SAID IT IS A SIN,THEY SAID, YOU SHOULDN'T HELP THAT PERSON,
WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ' IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH DAY, DOCTORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING THE SICK ARE PERMITTED TO WORK ON THE SABBATH DAY EXCEPT PEOPLE DOING SELFISH WORKS, OR OTHER KIND OF WORK
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
THE ISSUE IN MATTHEW 12 OR MARK 2 IS NOT ABOUT THE CHANGING TO THE SABBATH OF JESUS TO SUNWORSHIP BUT THE ISSUE WAS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP THE SABBATH ACCORDING TO JESUS , MARK 1:21 SAYS HOW JESUS KEPT THE SABBATH, WHEN THE SABBATH CAME JESUS WENT TO CHURCH ,
VERSE 29 TELLS US , WHAT DID JESUS DO AFTER HE LEFT THE CHURCH ON THE SABBATH?
HE WENT TO VISIT THE SICK,
VERSE 32 TELLS US WHAT DID JESUS DO AFTER THE SUN SET OR THE SABBATH HAS ENDED?


6. Written in Stone!

Centuries ago, God wrote His law in stone, and you're still supposed to keep it today! It's absolutely true that violating any part of God's law always brings negative consequences. As crime overruns our cities, doesn't it make sense that for peace and safety we need to obey the laws of the land? Well, this same principle applies with God's law - the Ten Commandments - in our own lives too! They aren't called the ten suggestions, ten recommendations, or the ten greatest ideas. Since so much is at stake, you should take a few minutes to seriously consider your responsibility.


1. Did God Himself really write the Ten Commandments?


"And the tables were the work of God."
"And he gave unto Moses ... two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God." "And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables." Exodus 31:18; 32:16.
Answer: Yes, the great God of heaven wrote the Ten Commandments on tables of stone with His own finger.


Baptized paganism
Dr. Sammuel got a golden medal from the pope of Rome for proving how the Roman Church combined paganism with Christianity which was prophesied by Daniel 7:25, that this change of the sabbath would happen.
Discover the truth how the Roman Church change the sabbath to please the pagans from a student from Vatican city, a native from Rome,
He is the first and the last non-Catholic student who have studied at the Vatican University in Rome in Vatican city..
http://www.adventist.or.kr/ib/ct/view.html?no=104
Come out of Babylon! A mixture of truth and baptized paganism!
God is NOT willing that any should perish,but that all should come to REPENTANCE!
www.prophecycode.org, www.adventist.or.kr/satellite/, www.vop.or.kr, www.amazingfacts.org, www.3abn.org ( 011-7-8312-75-48-0002-926-3605, 928-3605
Jesus urged the necessity of walking in all known truth. "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin." John 15:22. "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remained." John 9:41. When a man learns a point of truth in the Bible and refuses to obey it, he is guilty of practicing sin. Such a man is fighting the Holy Spirit whose primary work is to guide into all truth. By rejecting the commandments of God in favor of human traditions, the Holy Spirit is spurned. According to Acts 5:32 only those who obey are eligible to be filled with the Spirit.
The vast majority of people will be lost, including many who work miracles in Christ's name, worship Him, and claim to know Him as His children. The reason they will be lost is that they do not love Him enough to keep all of His commandments. For some reason these ardent church workers have learned to look lightly upon the law of God. Most of them consider it legalism to believe that disobedience could keep them out of heaven.
Sunday-A Tradition of Man
It seems more than coincidental that Jesus spelled out "traditions of men" as the false doctrine that would lead into vain worship. The chief tradition today which has turned multitudes from keeping the Ten Commandments is the doctrine of Sunday-keeping. Almost any Christian of any persuasion can defend and extol nine of the Ten Commandments. It is only the Sabbath which has stirred deep hatred and prejudice against the holy law of God.

JESUS RETURN, MANY are going to acknowledge Jesus as Lord , But it will be too LATE, because the door of probation will be closed.
Jesus, all the bible writers, and all bible disciples customs, were to keep God's law, especially the sabbath commandment, all of them went to church on Saturday, just like it is Korean's
custom to eat kimchi everyday.Luke 4:16, Gen.26:6, Ex.20:6,10. Acts.17:2, Rom. 6:1-12Mark 1:21,22,29,32, 35, 2:27,28, John 15:10,14:15,21, Rev.1:10. True Christians are known
by their fruit.1John 2;3-4.14:15, 21, Luke 6:46, Matt.5:17-20. Who changed the sabbath? Did Jesus and His disciples ? No. if you go to this site.
(www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath_quotes.asp)There are quotations from the Baptist,Catholic, Church of Christ, Methodist, Presbyterian, Dictionaries and Encyclopedias
Infidel, and Miscellaneous, claiming that the true sabbath is on Saturday and it's law is unchangeable.Don't just read this article, go and research for yourself and
you will discover the real truth..).Q. Which is the Sabbath day?A. Saturday is the
Sabbath day.Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday. A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to
Sunday."From the catechism:Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in
which all modern religionists agree with her--she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, .



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Dinogrrl

peeb!
I don't think it matters. Our 'week' was not around back then. The Sabbath is simply a day, any day, to rest, and spend more time with God than the world.
 
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