Who was he?

I have a question. I know it's stupid that I don't already know this... but I must have forgotten. Forgive me.

Mohammed (PBUH) - who was he? It is said that his heritage is from Abraham through Ishmael. But this makes me curious, because I wonder how Mohammed (PBUH) had access to the Torah or Jewish books if he was not Jewish. It's not like they had the Torah in the library for people to look at. Obviously, though Mohammed (PBUH) is of Jewish descent, he's not completely Jewish. How could he have followed the commandments of the Jewish G-d, but never have actually read the Torah?

That's my first question

He was just this Arab street kid who hunng out in a cave...

Seyorni said:

He was just this Arab street kid who hunng out in a cave...

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lol I bet not!

He was Arab.
He was orphaned, became a street-kid.
He sometimes went to this cave/grotto, outside of town.

I think our Muslim members will back me in this.

Seyorni said:

He was Arab.
He was orphaned, became a street-kid.
He sometimes went to this cave/grotto, outside of town.

I think our Muslim members will back me in this.

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Oh! So you were serious. Ok

In another thread it says that he lived by Jewish law... but that doesn't make much sense since he wasn't Jewish, you know?

Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) , Prophet Eisa ( Peace Be Upon Him) , Prophet Moosa (Peace Be Upon Him), Prophet Ibrahim (Peace Be Upon Him) and all the other Prophets are the messenger of Allah , they convey us the message of Allah , and the message of all the prophets is the same , the Message of Quran , the message of Torat , the message of Injeel , the message of Zaboor and the message of all the others books reviled on Prophets is the Same.
All the prophets brings the same message of Allah , its people who made changes in thier books , and the present bibble , injeels etc are not currently in their pure forms , so many things has been altered by the people , and currntly only the Quran is in its pure form.

you had asked "How could he have followed the commandments of the Jewish G-d" , brother their is Only One God , Allah , and all the prophets conveys us only the message of Allah. So you can not Say Jewish God or some thing else we all have the same and only one God (Allah).

islam means peace said:

Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) , Prophet Eisa ( Peace Be Upon Him) , Prophet Moosa (Peace Be Upon Him), Prophet Ibrahim (Peace Be Upon Him) and all the other Prophets are the messenger of Allah , they convey us the message of Allah , and the message of all the prophets is the same , the Message of Quran , the message of Torat , the message of Injeel , the message of Zaboor and the message of all the others books reviled on Prophets is the Same.
All the prophets brings the same message of Allah , its people who made changes in thier books , and the present bibble , injeels etc are not currently in their pure forms , so many things has been altered by the people , and currntly only the Quran is in its pure form.

you had asked "How could he have followed the commandments of the Jewish G-d" , brother their is Only One God , Allah , and all the prophets conveys us only the message of Allah. So you can not Say Jewish God or some thing else we all have the same and only one God (Allah).

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I'm sorry, but this doesn't help me since it doesn't answer my question. Thank you for trying though! I just want to know about the person himself, rather than the round about. I can't pick out my answer from your answer to my question.

sorry , if i under i misunderstand your post , did you want the family history/background of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and how Mohammad (PBUH) had access/knowledge to the Torah or Jewish books? am i right is that you want.

Buttons* said:

I have a question. I know it's stupid that I don't already know this... but I must have forgotten. Forgive me.

Mohammed (PBUH) - who was he? It is said that his heritage is from Abraham through Ishmael. But this makes me curious, because I wonder how Mohammed (PBUH) had access to the Torah or Jewish books if he was not Jewish. It's not like they had the Torah in the library for people to look at. Obviously, though Mohammed (PBUH) is of Jewish descent, he's not completely Jewish. How could he have followed the commandments of the Jewish G-d, but never have actually read the Torah?

That's my first question

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Hello and welcome to Islam Forum

Abraham is the grandfather of the Jews (through Isaac and Jacob) and the Arabs (through his son Ismael). The prophet Muhammad didn't follow the Torah. Muhammad pbuh laso turned away from the beliefs of his people; paganism and he used to meditate in the cave of Hiraa before the revelation.
Apparently he didn't have access to the Torah.

We don't believe that "the Jewish God" is somehow different from the "Muslim God" but we believe that the God who sent Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad with the message of monotheism is the same God. All the prophets of God called for the same message. The religion of God is one.

Buttons* said:

I have a question. I know it's stupid that I don't already know this... but I must have forgotten. Forgive me.

Mohammed (PBUH) - who was he? It is said that his heritage is from Abraham through Ishmael. But this makes me curious, because I wonder how Mohammed (PBUH) had access to the Torah or Jewish books if he was not Jewish. It's not like they had the Torah in the library for people to look at. Obviously, though Mohammed (PBUH) is of Jewish descent, he's not completely Jewish. How could he have followed the commandments of the Jewish G-d, but never have actually read the Torah?

That's my first question

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Hi Buttons,

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him wasn't of a Jewish descent. He was an Arab from the lineage of Abraham through Ishmael. He was illiterate and thus never read the Torah or the Bible.

Peace

Seyorni said:

He was just this Arab street kid who hunng out in a cave...

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what is this, Seyorni? is this some kind of joke? i am afraid i would have to leave this forum because of people like you, because of this attitude of yours.


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.lava said:

what is this, Seyorni? is this some kind of joke? i am afraid i would have to leave this forum because of people like you, because of this attitude of yours.


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I don't see why that's so offensive. He cut out many of the details and gave the non-bells and whistles explanation. Similar things happen to the LDS and Christians all the time! It's not just you that it happens to, and most people don't even try because they're afraid they'll offend.

I don't think Seyorni meant any harm by giving me a very short description.

islam means peace said:

sorry , if i under i misunderstand your post , did you want the family history/background of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and how Mohammad (PBUH) had access/knowledge to the Torah or Jewish books? am i right is that you want.

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Yes, this would be more precise to what I'm asking I'm willing to accept the answer. Even if that answer is "God just chose him for no reason we can discern." But you see, I don't know the history here, so I can't remember what happened and why he has become so revered.

Who ever said that muhammad (pbuh) took teaching from jewish books, or said he is a jew

Quran 6:91
No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent downthe Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make itinto (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents):therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor yourfathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vaindiscourse and trifling.
Quran 5:15
O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing overmuch (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new)light and a perspicuous Book, -
and in 2:174
Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire;Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them:Grievous will be their penalty.
in 2:159
Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on themshall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-

Quran says that the present book is not allah's
2:75
Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, andperverted it knowingly after they understood it.
2:79
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woeto them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
5:13
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right)places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wiltthou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: butforgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who arekind.
5:41
O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lipsbut whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who willlisten to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much ascome to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places:they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one'strial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for himagainst Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. Forthem there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavypunishment.

please read topic "Hello" -islam forum

Zhakir said:

Who ever said that muhammad (pbuh) took teaching from jewish books, or said he is a jew

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Well actually, I got the idea from a Muslim poster. I may have interpreted it wrong, which is why I asked for this thread. See, my inference comes from someone who quoted the Qur'an and said "Mohammed lived the laws of his Father and was blessed with the ability to write the Qur'an" more or less, and this led me to think that, because the Qur'an also uses the Old Testament, that he was Jewish, or at least had knowledge of the Jewish law that he was able to keep in accordance with God. Does that make sense?

Quran 6:91 said:

No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent downthe Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make itinto (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents):therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor yourfathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vaindiscourse and trifling.
Quran 5:15
O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing overmuch (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new)light and a perspicuous Book, -

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So, does this mean that the Qur'an was able to negate Jewish law? I really don't understand these passages because I am not versed in the Qur'an myself and don't know any Arabic. I'm at a great disadvantage when I have to interpret these words.

Quran and in 2:174 said:

Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire;Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them:Grievous will be their penalty.
in 2:159
Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on themshall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-

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Again, I'm sort of at a loss as to what this all means. :sorry1: Is Allah greater than the Jewish God? Or have his laws simply come to hold no meaning for the true followers of the faith? If I get this wrong, I really am sorry!

Quran said:

Quran says that the present book is not allah's
2:75
Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, andperverted it knowingly after they understood it.
2:79
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woeto them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
5:13
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right)places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wiltthou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: butforgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who arekind.
5:41
O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lipsbut whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who willlisten to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much ascome to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places:they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one'strial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for himagainst Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. Forthem there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavypunishment.

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So.... does this mean that Jewish law is not necessary for God's grace? Is the Old Testament not a part of God's writings? If this is the case, why include the Old Testament in the Qur'an or its teachings? Can they really be the same God?

Zhakir said:

please read topic "Hello" -islam forum

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I'll take a look at it

* All Quran verses above indicate that some people did edit the books of Allah sent to the children of isreal with moses and jesus by name taorah and injeel (bible comes from the greek word biblos which means book).
and the present "bible" and in time of muhammad (pbuh) is not allah's
and for you to make sure that muhammad did not take teaching from that
open the quran and the bible and say how different are they.
I will give you one example

Killing.
The bible:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)


Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)


Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)





God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

More of Samson's Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ***; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)



Mass Murder
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

The Danites Kill the Next Town
But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

God Kills Some More
Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

God Promises More Killing
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)