michel said:
roli, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think that for you to pass a moral, theological judgement on another member of the forum in the above way is hardly 'in the spirit of your faith'.
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and, ye shall not be judged: condemn: not, and, ye shall not be condemned: forgive,: and, ye shall be forgiven:
How can you possibly quote passages that suit your argument, while, at the same time, you are falling foul of the above ?:help:
Michel,I am not on a tangent of aimlessly criticising and fault finding unless it goes against God's word.
Unless you are a born again believer and the Holy sprit dwells in you ,you really should'nt use scriptures,unless you have the revealation of the Holy Spirit.
You may understand some natural illustrations and termonology,but the dimension God speaks to Christians thru is ,the spirit realm or supernatural and invisible
I won't argue that one ,take that to God, I know by experience and revealation
So many use logic and reason to try and understand and expound scripture and do the word a grave injustice, rendering the spoken word powerless and ineffective thru human intuition,not to insult your ability to read something and understand it,but you will miss the essence of what God says in His word unless you have a spiritual conversion ,that is just fact. as this scripture Jesus shares
You share scripture I hope you read as well
The bible is a book of MYSTERIES for those outside
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you christians)it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are outside all [these] things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.
1Cor 2: 9 But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,Nor have entered into the heart of manThe things which God has prepared for those who love Him."*
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the *Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?"* But we have the mind of Christ.
Michel, before I was a christian I had my own concepts and interpretaions of the word of God,I threw out scripture left and right as a religious hyprocrite,saying don't do this, this means this and that,then turn around and do the very thing I professed others not to do, not on purpose of course, not to mention using scripture out of context which was a grave injustice and a gross misrepresentation of God's intentions thru His word.
I never saw into the spiritual aspect of God,Christ,the bible ,or even the church through my natural eyes,until God's spirit touched me 8yrs ago did I begin to understand ,appreciate and appropriate His word and the revealation of it.
I was so far off, looking back now.
But people today who don't have Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior have not had there spritual eyes enlightened by the power of God but continue to walk in the realm of logic ,intellect and reason,trying to assess and disect and interpret that which can only be thru God's spirit .
If you sinned against Jesus by twisting His word, disbelieving what He says, etc and HE said you will be punished and the wages of your sin is death,and was about to cast you into Hell would you say to Him , don't Judge lest He be judged.
We are to judge righteously according to truth of His word as Jesus did.
Iam to rightly divide the word of God as 2 Tim2:15
By the way ,it is not me that condemns or judges, it's your own heart ( conscience)that will do the that my friend and it is God's job, thru His spirit to condemn,convict,reveal and judge
John 3:18 says he who does not believe (
trust in ,rely on, adhere to and follow,obey)is condemned already ,,,,because he has not believed (
trust in ,rely on, adhere to and follow,obey) in God's only son(Jesus),we must believe in everything in God's word,
Not one or two things and disbelieve the rest,but all things,but you will not believe and accept until you have His spirit living in you that gives you the eyes to see , the ears to hear and the heart to recieve,
When scripture is twisted,misused and misappropriated,as it was in Jesus day do you think for a minute He did not defend it according to the truth as I pointed out in the last thread inwhich you proceeded to respond to and here where your doing it again, you can rest assure I will defend the context and misinterpretations of the scriptures,but only as I line it up with what the scriptures actually say.
