More Than Dreams (Divine Encounters With Christ)

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

FFH said:
The mind has no power of it's own, except that which Jesus Christ gives it.

We are nothing without the light and power of Jesus Christ, which gives life to our bodies.

Without the life and power of Jesus Christ, in our bodies, we would drop dead.

Are you saying that no individual is deceived by his own thoughts?

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
(Genesis 6:5)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

J Bryson · Mar 14, 2009

So...the Son has always existed, just like the Father has always existed? Awfully unusual pedigree, there.

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

FFH said:
They're equal partners.

That's interesting. Aren't you LDS?

D. God is the Supreme Being in the universe.

1. God the Father is greater than all (see Ephesians
4:6; John 10:29).
2. As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be
the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40;
20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2; Luke 4:8).
3. God created all things through His Son (see
Hebrews 1:12; Moses 1:3233; 2:1).

E. The Father presides over the Godhead.

1. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the
members of the Godhead (see Articles of Faith 1:1;
1 John 5:7; Alma 11:44).
2. Each member of the Godhead is physically
separate and distinct from the others (see D&C
130:22; Matthew 3:1617; Acts 7:5556).
3. The members of the Godhead are united in Their
attributes, power, and purpose (see John 17:2021;
D&C 20:28; 35:2; 2 Nephi 31:21; 3 Nephi 11:27).
4. The Father is the supreme member of the
Godhead (see John 14:26, 28, 31; 2 Nephi 31:7, 12;

3 Nephi 28:11).
See page 6:
Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466304 said:
Are you saying that no individual is deceived by his own thoughts?

Thoughts do not originate in the mind, they come from our spirit. The mind is just a temporary physical processing tool.

Our spirit and Christ's spirit gives life to our bodies. The mind is a tool, it has no life of it's own.

Isaiah 10: 15
Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
(Genesis 6:5)

The imagination of his heart (soul). Imagination originates with our soul/spirit. It is our spirit that gives life to the body, not the other way around. Can a heart think on it's own ???? Can a mind think on it's own ????

Medical tests prove that a heart and mind cannot act on their own.

It's called the "frankenstein" theory. No body can act on it's own.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

Heart equals soul/spirit.

A heart cannot think on it's own. There are nerves connecting the heart directly to the thoughts of the brain, but those thoughts do no orifinate from the mind, they orifinate from the soul/spirit of men and women.

Heart = Soul/Spirit

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

J Bryson said:
So...the Son has always existed, just like the Father has always existed? Awfully unusual pedigree, there.

Yes, the Son has always existed. The Bible teaches that He created the earth and all things.

Yet, in Mormon teachings all people always existed.

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

J Bryson said:
So...the Son has always existed, just like the Father has always existed? Awfully unusual pedigree, there.

We have always existed.

There is no beginning or end to our spirit, which gives our body life.

"Time is only measured unto man"

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

FFH said:
Thoughts do no originate in the mind, they come frou our spirit. The mind is just a temporary physical processing tool.

Our spirit and Christ's spirit gives life to our bodies. The mind is a tool, it has no life of it's own.

Isaiah 10: 15
Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

The imagination of his heart (soul). Imagination originates with our soul/spirit. It is our spirit that gives life to the body, not the other way around. Can a heart think on it's own ???? Can a mind think on it's own ????

Medical tests prove that a heart and mind cannot act on their own.

It's called the "frankenstein" theory. No body can act on it's own.

Heart equals soul/spirit.

A heart cannot think on it's own. There are nerves connecting the heart directly to the thoughts of the brain, but those thoughts do no orifinate from the mind, they orifinate from the soul/spirit of men and women.

Heart = Soul/Spirit

Did God send any wicked spirits to earth to obtain physical bodies?

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466310 said:
That's interesting. Aren't you LDS?

Yes

D. God is the Supreme Being in the universe.

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1. God the Father is greater than all (see Ephesians

4:6; John 10:29).
2. As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be
the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40;
20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2; Luke 4:8).

3. God created all things through His Son (see

Hebrews 1:1–2; Moses 1:32–33; 2:1).

E. The Father presides over the Godhead.
1. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the
members of the Godhead (see Articles of Faith 1:1;

1 John 5:7; Alma 11:44).

2. Each member of the Godhead is physically
separate and distinct from the others (see D&C
130:22; Matthew 3:16–17; Acts 7:55–56).
3. The members of the Godhead are united in Their
attributes, power, and purpose (see John 17:20–21;
D&C 20:28; 35:2; 2 Nephi 31:21; 3 Nephi 11:27).
4. The Father is the supreme member of the
Godhead (see John 14:26, 28, 31; 2 Nephi 31:7, 12;

3 Nephi 28:11).
See page 6:

Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual

That still doesn't mean that Jesus Christ and the Father cannot be equal partners.

LDS SCRPTURE promises us that we will also be equal with Christ and the Father.

Doctrine and Covenants 76: 95

And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.

There is an order in Heaven, whereby things are created and organized. God the Father is at the head of it all, yet Christ is equal with the Father, as we can also become "equal" with Christ and the Father "in power, and in might, and in dominion".

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466321 said:
Did God send any wicked spirits to earth to obtain physical bodies?

Was Hitler evil before coming to earth ???

Only God the Father and God the Son know the definite answer to that question.

All we know, according to LDS theology, is that "we chose to come to earth and obtain a body".

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

Men and women are equal, with different roles to fulfill.

The same goes with God the Father and God the Son.

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

Joseph Smith's First Vision: Joseph Smith—History

God the Father (right) and God the Son (left) and Joseph Smith (below) receiving directions from Jesus Christ.

God the Father turned to Jesus Christ and said, "This is my beloved Son, hear him". Jesus Christ then proceeded to instruct Joseph Smith according to what the Father instructed him to say. They work as equal partners, yet one instructs the other. There is an order in the Kingdom of God on earth and in Heaven.

Equal partners, different roles.

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á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

FFH said:
Was Hitler evil before coming to earth ???

Only God the Father and God the Son know the definite answer to that question.

All we know, according to LDS theology, is that "we chose to come to earth and obtain a body".

I don't believe Hitler existed before his parents conceived him, so you tell me.

Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself. Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 2:27

How does a wicked spirit have a desire to be righteous if his thoughts are controlled by his spirit?

And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil , shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity. (Alma 40:11-13.)

Doesn't free will mean that man is able to think for himself?

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466343 said:
I don't believe Hitler existed before his parents conceived him, so you tell me.

Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself. Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 2:27

How does a wicked spirit have a desire to be righteous if his thoughts are controlled by his spirit?

“And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil … , shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity. …” (Alma 40:11-13.)

Doesn't free will mean that man is able to think for himself?

We made right and wrong choices before coming to earth, one of the right choices we made was to come to earth. Satan and his angels chose not to come to earth and were sent to hell because of that wrong choice.

We have always existed and have always been free to choose right or wrong.

We are living in a grace period, in which we are free to choose, but we will not be able to choose the consequences of our wrong choices.

we need a Savior to deliver us from ourselves (our sins) and this world.

We will be saved, by Jesus Christ, "after all that we can do".

We must be righteous.

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 14, 2009

FFH said:
We made right and wrong choices before coming to earth, one of the right choices we made was to come to earth. Satan and his angels chose not to come to earth and were sent to hell because of that wrong choice.

We have always existed and have always been free to choose right or wrong.

We are living in a grace period, in which we are free to choose, but we will not be able to choose the consequences of our wrong choices.

we need a Savior to deliver us from ourselves (our sins) and this world.

We will be saved, by Jesus Christ, "after all that we can do".

We must be righteous.

I'll ask again, "How does a wicked spirit have a desire to be righteous if his thoughts are controlled by his spirit?"

tumbleweed41 · Mar 14, 2009

Hear-say

FFH · Mar 14, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466372 said:
I'll ask again, "How does a wicked spirit have a desire to be righteous if his thoughts are controlled by his spirit?"

Our thoughts are not controlled by anyone but ourselves (our spirit man/woman), which controls our bodies.

We choose to think evil or good thoughts.

It's our choice.

Evil thoughts may tempt us from an outside source or as thoughts of our own, but we can choose to act on those thoughts or push them away.

"Resist the Devil and he will flee from you".

Hitler chose to act on his own evil thoughts and desires, he also chose to act on Satan's thoughts and desires for his life.

adimus · Mar 15, 2009

FFH said:
Acts 17: 28 (King James)
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Mosiah 2: 21 (Book of Mormon)
I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to anotherI say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.

Doctrine and Covenants 45: 1 (LDS scripture)
Hearken, O ye people of my church, to whom the kingdom has been given; hearken ye and give ear to him who laid the foundation of the earth, who made the heavens and all the hosts thereof, and by whom all things were made which live, and move, and have a being.

Menander was a Greek pagan author whom Paul quoted directly from when he said "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
He apparently quoted this for its truth as he was coming to the Athenian philosophers on their own level.

And the Book of Mormon is not a part of the Bible. The person wanted to know where the Bible said something and you quoted from another book, the Book of Mormon. FYI.

á¼Î»Î®Î¸ÎµÎ¹Î± · Mar 15, 2009

FFH said:
Thoughts do no originate in the mind, they come frou our spirit. The mind is just a temporary physical processing tool...

There are nerves connecting the heart directly to the thoughts of the brain, but those thoughts do no orifinate from the mind, they orifinate from the soul/spirit of men and women.

Heart = Soul/Spirit

If that soul/spirit is good, won't it have good thoughts? If it is wicked, it will have have wicked thoughts, no?

FFH said:
Our thoughts are not controlled by anyone but ourselves (our spirit man/woman), which controls our bodies.

We choose to think evil or good thoughts.

It's our choice.

Evil thoughts may tempt us from an outside source or as thoughts of our own, but we can choose to act on those thoughts or push them away.

"Resist the Devil and he will flee from you".

Hitler chose to act on his own evil thoughts and desires, he also chose to act on Satan's thoughts and desires for his life.

So are you now saying that all spirits/souls are alike? That they have equal opportunity to think good thoughts and make right choices?

What is the meaning of the following verse?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

FFH · Mar 15, 2009

adimus said:
Menander was a Greek pagan author whom Paul quoted directly from when he said "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
He apparently quoted this for its truth as he was coming to the Athenian philosophers on their own level.

And the Book of Mormon is not a part of the Bible. The person wanted to know where the Bible said something and you quoted from another book, the Book of Mormon. FYI.

I'm not going to limit myself to only one of Jesus Chirst's books.

The Book of Mormon is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ".

The Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is also the world of Jesus Christ to men in these last days.

I will not limit myself to answering questions of Chritian faith by just using the Bible alone.

FFH · Mar 15, 2009

ἀλήθεια;1466753 said:
If that soul/spirit is good, won't it have good thoughts? If it is wicked, it will have have wicked thoughts, no?

So are you now saying that all spirits/souls are alike? That they have equal opportunity to think good thoughts and make right choices?

What is the meaning of the following verse?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

I see where you're coming from now.

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" ~ Romans 3:23 ~

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