Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Actually, the contrversy dates back to ancient times. The followers of the Orphic Mysteries accused the new Christians of plagiarism, as I recall. Hence the doctrine of Diabolical Mimicry.
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A simple thread that lets Atheists contend (or discuss, whichever you prefer) Christianity.
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tomspug
Absorbant
Yeah, especially since pretty much ALL evidence shows that current versions of the Bible are 100% in sync with their original forms...
tomspug
Absorbant
It's funny how quickly people get so involved in their own arguments that they forget that they didn't create the thread and therefore are not at liberty to dictate its contents. It was never my intention to address the topics you want to discuss, nor do I plan on it now (I've already stated that I don't have the background or knowledge to tackle these issues). If you are interested in discussing the topics I brought up, you are more than welcome to. But if you continue to insist that my thoughts are somehow invalid or not worthy of your attention for whatever reason, then go ahead, it makes no difference to me what you determine are and aren't strawmen.
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angellous_evangellous
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Well, the "as I recall" was there because I don't have the book available anymore, and I'm just going by my less-than-perfect recall. I could well be wrong.I would be delighted to see evidence of this.
You're a Biblical and Greek scholar (as I recall
). Wasn't there a highly respected Greek (or possibly Roman, I'm fuzzy) writer whose criticisms spurred the nascent Church to come up with Diabolical Mimicry?EDIT: Probably more than one, but I can't recall the name of the man the book focused on.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Some examples of verses that the KJV added to the original Greek versions, are
Smoke
Done here.
That seems like a very rash statement.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).[/FONT]
Smoke
Done here.
That's an excellent proof text to use when you're arguing the matter with a fundamentalist or a simpleton. However, it doesn't have anything to do with Christmas trees, which are of German Christian origin.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
I disagree.
The verse describes a Christmas tree to the letter.
Though I would like to hear your explanation of how it isn't.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
How so?
Meaning how are they 'in sync'?
Cause I can show you tons of differences between the current versions alone.
Hell go to any KJO site and they can show you tons more.
I agree. I also think that the real confusion isn't so much about whether these stories are true or not, it's more about "what kind of truth actually matters"?
Kathryn have you ever read any of Timothy Freke/Peter Gandy's books. They are a very good resource to learn about this subject. They've done a lot of research into the subject. Some of their books are the "Laughing Jesus", "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" and the "Jesus Mysteries. Some older books are Alvin Kuhn "Who is this King of Glory? A critical Study of the Christos-Messiah Tradition, any of his are interesting, Godfrey Higgins "Anacalypsis: An Attempt to Draw Aside the Veil of the Saitic Isis; or an Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions, Vol. I and II and Gerald Massey "Ancient Egypt, the Light of the World, Volumes I and II. Some of these are quite old and may have to be ordered in from Universities at your local library. All are amazingly informative.
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I don't know how anyone could say that. We don't even have the original documents to check them with. No one even knows for sure where Mark got his information and although Matthew and Luke pretty much copycated Mark, they also got information from an unknown source. So to say the scriptures are 100 % correct and unaltered is just not believeable imo.
Alceste
Vagabond
Especially when the gospels disagree with each other.
You believe and trust in your resources and I 'll stick to the untold number of written transcripts,archaeological finds,geographically and historically verifications.
..and if that was'nt enough for the believer, the Holy Spirit within a believer is not even worth mentioning to skeptics or the like, but it's the seal that closes the deal, it's the assurance of truth,accuracy, infallibility and reliability and all the Christian needs.
That's what sets Christianity apart from all other religions,myths,etc.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Oh boy.
You are actually completely wrong in three different ways. Impressive.
1) There are basically no archeological evidences to support the Bible. Or, at the very least, they keep evading the light of the day.
2) This that Christians call the Holy Spirit is in fact the central and most precious resource of Christianity, far from a mere accessory.
3) Almost as a consequence of 2), it is also the one thing that unites Christianity with all other religions.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Thus making his use of "untold" so amusingly ironic.