The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

mickiel said:
Gods anger is not eternal, in order for him to create an eternal hell, then his anger must be eternal itself. God is not going to make an eternal monument to sin, which is what hell would be, a constant reminder of sin and defeat of his plan of human salvation. Jeremiah 23: 19-20, shows that God is angry at SIN, not sinners. His anger willnot turn back UNTIL he has performed and carried out " The Purposes of his Heart." His heart desires that all men be saved, that is his purpose, 1Tim.2:4.

So, you claim to know the heart of god. What about the bible? What about all those verses that say that he's throwing people into the lake of fire, hell, sheol, eternal suffering, weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc.? You're just going to ignore those parts of the bible? But I'm sure you know the heart of god better than the bible.

God himself in Isaiah 57:16;" For I willNOT contend forever, neither will I always be angry, for the Spirit would grow faint in me." Eternal hell requires him to always be angry at sin, thus he would erect a monument of his anger, and give it eternity.

These are Gods own words, why should I believe a Christians words?

Peace.

Wait, isn't god omnipotent? So it seems to me that he could just set hell up and it would burn for eternity without any help from him. He doesn't need to stay angry for hell to keep burning.

And for the record, I am not a Christian.

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Imagist said:
So, you claim to know the heart of god. What about the bible? What about all those verses that say that he's throwing people into the lake of fire, hell, sheol, eternal suffering, weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc.? You're just going to ignore those parts of the bible?

And for the record, I am not a Christian.

plagiarized from Greek concept of hell in which hades(scorpio) rules over,

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

You should Ask, what is Hades(A Greek god of Hell) doing in the bible, well it was written by Greeks, this just shows the major flaw in the new testements

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

mickiel said:
The real God is described in Psalms 103:8-9;" The Lord is Compassionate and Gracious ( two very good reasons why hell does not exist) , slow to anger and abounding in Lovingkindness,( yet another reason hell does not exist).

He is compassionate and gracious to those who fear him. This still doesn't prove your point about those who don't fear him.

He willNOT ALWAYS strive with us ( meaning he willnot give eternity to anything rersulting in evil), Nor will he " Keep his anger forever." Before the creation of humans, God has never been angry, after our creation is finished, he will never become angry again. Its certain christians who are trying to give Gods anger eternity, it is they who are trying to give sinful humanity an existence in an eternal pain amphlifier. It is christians who have this unforgivable chip on their shoulders against sin.

He won't always strive with us, he'll get sick of us, end the world, and toss the ones he doesn't like in hell. This verse does not prove your point.

God is not a Christian, and he thinks nothing like them. The sooner you can realize that, the less you will listen to them.

Peace.

Do you believe in the bible? Do you believe that Jesus died for your sins and then rose three days later? If you answered yes to these questions, then NEWS FLASH: YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN! So stop pretending you're better than them and start reading the bible you believe in, REALLY reading it, and find out how really nasty your god is.

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Imagist said:
Do you believe in the bible? Do you believe that Jesus died for your sins and then rose three days later? If you answered yes to these questions, then NEWS FLASH: YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN! So stop pretending you're better than them and start reading the bible you believe in, REALLY reading it, and find out how really nasty your god is.

The Concept of a nasty God, is just a symbol of Man internal evils.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

mickiel said:
I am not trying to support any point I have made, I couldcareless what you think about my beliefs. I am not argueing, I am sharing. I am not offering evidence, I don't care what others think abouy my views. I already understand that christians are blind to scripture, which is why I am not trying to convince.

I only come for sharing my views.

Peace.

Yes, everyone is sharing their views. The difference is that my views have basis in reality, where you just made yours up without any evidence.

Furthermore, if you really didn't care about what others thought of your views, you wouldn't take the time to share them. So quit pretending.

Before you accuse others of being blind to scripture, get the plank out of your own eye. The bible is full of references to god sending people to hell. You need to take this seriously, because if you don't believe this, according to the bible, YOU are going to hell for not believing.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

mickiel said:
For the same reason that you post yours, I believe in what I am saying. If no one was interested in what I was saying, I would no longer post. But everywhere I post, there is always a very large amount of intrest.

I think you're mistaking utter incredulity at the irrationality of your opinions for "intrest."

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Imagist said:
Before you accuse others of being blind to scripture, get the plank out of your own eye. The bible is full of references to god sending people to hell. You need to take this seriously, because if you don't believe this, according to the bible, YOU are going to hell for not believing.

If you interpreted the bible in a wrong way, in which you refrence in the bible "God sending man to hell". then you not reading the bible correctly.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

mickiel said:
It does not matter to me what you assume, from my experience with Christians, they will always assume things from " That religious world they hold in their minds", and it really does not matter what they are shown, which is why it no longer matters to me what happens when I speak with them.

I'm not a Christian.

I was not " Jousting" with you, nor have I used my intellect, I use only what I read in Gods word.

No, you have taken a few verses from "God's word" and twisted them around to mean something they don't mean. And you've completely ignored the parts of "God's word" that say that god will send people to hell.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

herushura said:
the belief of Hell was plagiarized, the ancient, Hell only had a meaning in there Astrology.
Hell repressents the Sun path throught the Underword, where he is tempted by the serpant-devil.
and the other hell symbolized Scorpio, scorpio is the serpant or osiris/azazel who Rules Hell.

Satan does not rule hell, infact he is just a plagiarized demonized Fish/Corn god, Satan is
alway shown with a Tridant(3 prnged fork) a symbol for Fishing, Satan or dagon originally
was a god of Corn and fish and he held a tridant, the greek equivilent is posiedon, note poSIEDON, SDN/STN is Satan/siton another word for dagan, po means fathers, Satan is the father, Satan is also Saturn the god of corn or bread, Saturn can also be spelt as Satan.
Santa is also this Satan, but the good satan not the demonized version, the bringer of gifts(food). Satan does not rule underworld, but the under the sea,
in ancient times under the sea and underworld are the same thing

Do you have any evidence for this or are you just making it up as you go along?

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

herushura said:
plagiarized from Greek concept of hell in which hades(scorpio) rules over,

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

You should Ask, what is Hades(A Greek god of Hell) doing in the bible, well it was written by Greeks, this just shows the major flaw in the new testements

If you believe that the new testament is flawed then I have no debate with you. Of course it's flawed, that's what I'm trying to get Mickiel to admit: either the bible is flawed or his god is evil.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

herushura said:
The Concept of a nasty God, is just a symbol of Man internal evils.

No, it's a concept taken directly out of the bible, and put on the pedestal as if he was a nice guy.

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

herushura said:
If you interpreted the bible in a wrong way, in which you refrence in the bible "God sending man to hell". then you not reading the bible correctly.

Would you prefer that I said throwing man into the lake of fire? Seems to me that's the exact words from the bible, so I don't think I could be reading it incorrectly...

Imagist · Mar 9, 2009

Luke 16:19-31 said:
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Mickiel, if you really believe what you say, please explain to me what this bible passage means. What is happening to the rich man in this story if he isn't really "in torment"?

It seems to me that even if someone rose from the dead, you wouldn't get it.

tumbleweed41 · Mar 9, 2009

The way I see it you can't have it both ways. To simply believe that the God of the Bible is pure love, is to ignore other passages where God kills innocent children (Exodus 12:29),and orders their death (Numbers 31:1-54, Deuteronomy 20:16). How many innocent children were killed in the flood? In Moses' destruction of cities his Israelites came across in the dessert? If you pick and choose what you believe from the Bible, than you are admitting that the Bible is no "Reveled Revelation" and is therefore flawed.

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Imagist said:
Do you have any evidence for this or are you just making it up as you go along?

Noope, i read and study mythology, Dagon is on of my favourites.

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Picture of dagan and his tridants

Posiedon and his tridant

herushura · Mar 9, 2009

Dagan, belongs to a pantheon of caanite/babylon/pheonician gods, turning dagan into a demon is just a way to turn the follwers of dagan into jews, dagan was a very populer god at its time.

dvice19 · Mar 11, 2009

God doesn't put anyone in hell, they CHOOSE to go to hell by not following God's message. And they do suffer for all eternity.

God is Merciful and Fogiving, but many will not choose to believe in Him. If a person does not choose belief and nourish his/her soul then he/she cannot stand in Heaven.

We have all been warned of this in the Bible and the Quran, those who choose not to follow it do end up in hell, suffering for all eternity. We all have a fair chance to escape...

blackout · Mar 11, 2009

dvice19 said:
God doesn't put anyone in hell, they CHOOSE to go to hell by not following God's message. And they do suffer for all eternity.
...

door #1-- follow as you're told or else.
door #2-- or else.

I'll take door #3.
Isn't that usually a goat pulling a cart...
or an old jalopy or something?
(oh right! that's my life. )

Smoke · Mar 11, 2009

dvice19 said:
God doesn't put anyone in hell, they CHOOSE to go to hell by not following God's message. And they do suffer for all eternity.

God is Merciful and Fogiving, but many will not choose to believe in Him. If a person does not choose belief and nourish his/her soul then he/she cannot stand in Heaven.

We have all been warned of this in the Bible and the Quran, those who choose not to follow it do end up in hell, suffering for all eternity. We all have a fair chance to escape...

If there were such a god, he'd be a vicious, psychotic monster. As it is, that's probably a better description of the people who invented him.

The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

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