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Abortion v Adoption

Which is the better solution to unwanted pregnancies?

  • Abort the foetus before it is born

    Votes: 8 28.6%
  • Offer the child up for adoption after birth

    Votes: 20 71.4%

  • Total voters
    28

t3gah

Well-Known Member
Fluffy said:
What is better, aborting an unwanted child/foetus (depending on your view) or offering it up for adoption?

This is thread is specifically for debating this aspect of the issue so lets not get into the rest of it.
According to one site I saw they stated that abortion and adoption are equal in one aspect. There are less babies alone in the world.
 

jimbob

The Celt
almifkhar said:
the way i see it, first of all one should use the best possible methods of birth control before deciding to have sex, but if your stupid and don't think of the consequences of sex and don't want to care for a child thani think abortion is the way to go. there are just far too many children out there who will never get a chance to be adopted. and these children grow up feeling rejected and and i just don't think that is right.
So you'd rather kill them?
 

almifkhar

Active Member
what happens to people who grow up who are negelected, unwanted, and in some cases just plain abused? a bunch of them are harmeless of course, but most end up in the mental health system or jailed for many a reason. (guess who pays these bills) hell guess who pays their bills when they are minors? you and me and the rest of the nation. how would you want to live like that? what really pisses me off about the issues of abortion and adoption is that if you don't want them, than protect yourself from getting yourself or the woman your sleeping with from having a child. and the sad thing is birth control can be free, health departments all over the nation have family planing programs. there is no excuse for either of these issues. the biggest problem with both of these issues is people who refuse to be responsible or just refuse to stand up like a real man or woman and take care of what they made. and i think that this is what should be stressed. personally for me neither is an option i would make for myself cause i take responsibility for my actions, but hey if you don't want it and you know your not gona take care of it, why bring it into the world? i sure wouldn't want to be the one to look into the eye and explain to my now adult child i abanded that i didn't want them. would you?
 
jimbob said:
I've got an idea, why don't we just abstain until you are ready to support a kid:eek: . There is no for sure method of not having a kid, unless you are abstinate. Is it really all that hard for people to not have sex?
in a word...yes. Sex is a very intense physical and emotional moment, not just a means to procreate. You lend yourself vulnerable to another person, who in turn does the same to you.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
SK2005 said:
Abortion is wrong no matter the circumstances. Period.
I agree with you, Susan, but I think fluffy was focussing on an either or - without bringing in any factors. ie if there is an unwanted pregnacy, there are two choices, abortion or adoption; out of those two choices, I choose adoption, because, I think like you, I cannot bear the thought of abortions (Unless the life of the mother is in serious risk).:)
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I assume that the question is in relation to a non-theraputic abortion. I would never say that a woman should be forced to carry a baby to term, sacrificing her health and perhaps her life, just so that someone else can take care of a baby.

I am against non-theraputic abortions. Therefore, I think that adoption is a far better choice than just having an abortion for non-health related reasons.
 

KateTacular

Member
jimbob said:
I've got an idea, why don't we just abstain until you are ready to support a kid:eek: . There is no for sure method of not having a kid, unless you are abstinate. Is it really all that hard for people to not have sex?
So those of us who NEVER want children should remain celibate? Sex isn't just about making babies, it's an expression of intimacy and love.
 

jimbob

The Celt
KateTacular said:
So those of us who NEVER want children should remain celibate? Sex isn't just about making babies, it's an expression of intimacy and love.
I wasn't saying its just a baby making machine. I was saying that unless you're ready to take the risk of having a kid, stay celibate. I agree about the intamacy and love part, but i should hope that all that loving doesn't lead to the death of an unwanted child.
 

Fluffy

A fool
A lot of you have commented that each case has to be reviewed on its own merits. However, I must say that I worded my question very carefully so as to avoid making a blanket moral statement. For example choosing the abortion option is not so much saying that all unwanted pregnancies should be aborted, just that it is better for them to be aborted but sometimes one must resort to the unfortunate but necessary evil of adoption and vice versa.

I don't think adoption services are meant for people who just enjoy banging each other, then throwing their kid to live w/ strangers...
Actually I think you will find that this is exactly what the adoption service is for. Except in the case of rape and orphanage, unwanted children are the result of parents who enjoy banging each other and sending them off to live with strangers. Since a women can only get pregnant once a year (realistically) I don't think there will be a massive influx of unwanted children if women are forced to take their pregnancys to term.

If the woman wants to carry the fetus to term, then adoption is better.
If the woman doesn't want to be pregnant at all, then abortion is better.
Choice and free will are very important I agree. I think it is unfair to only consider the choice of the women and not the foetus, or if you do not believe that the foetus has free will, at least the potential of the foetus having free will. Besides that their is the choice of the father but that is a whole other kettle of fish (I love that expression :)).

However, these rates are based on "perfect use" by women--that means using the method exactly as prescribed during every act of sexual intercourse.
From about.com. This is very important and must be taken into consideration. It is unfair, for example, to include statistics on the effectiveness of contraception which are down to human error and not the fault of the product. Secondly these statistics seem to feel that more than one contraceptive can't be used at the same time. If you are really worried about the risk then use the pill, a condom and spermicide.

Let's also not forget that it's sometimes rather difficult to get a hold of it.
This is true but if you couple this with multiple contraceptives and better sexual education then you are reducing the chance of an unwanted pregnancy to that of aliens coming down and impregnating you whilst you sleep. In other words, yes you will never get something to be 100% effective but you are accepting this when you decide to have sex and the consequences of your action are part of this acceptance.

I'm not necessarily arguing that abortion is wrong. Just that unwanted pregnancies are the fault of the couple engaging in the intercourse not the contraceptive.

there are just far too many children out there who will never get a chance to be adopted. and these children grow up feeling rejected and and i just don't think that is right.
Definitely a possibility but if this is the case and these children truly would prefer to be dead than alive then why dont they all kill themselves? At least this gives them the option.

So those of us who NEVER want children should remain celibate? Sex isn't just about making babies, it's an expression of intimacy and love.
Not necessarily. I am at a loss to see why, if checked regularly, sterilisation of both partners cannot lead to a fine sex life without children. Again if this risk is too much for you then celibacy might be your only option. Otherwise I am expressing myself intimately even though I know it might result in me having to take a potential life. Now this unfortunately just comes down to which you view as more valuable and I'm not about to degrade either position through inadequate language but this is the basic idea.
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
I am not trying to spark another debate within this one, and if necessary, we can open another thread for this:

To those that say (unequivocally) that ALL abortion is wrong, what answer do you give to the children that currently live in orphanages and foster homes? Secondly, how many adopted children currently live in your house?

Just asking,
TVOR
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
if women are forced to take their pregnancys to term

*Angellous shutters at the thought of a free society even considering forcing women to do this against their will*

After that, we can have a "Bill of Rights BBQ" and various other book burnings, and a funeral for liberty. :areyoucra
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
I do not like the idea of abortion on its face, but I would have far more faith in the idea of adoption if I saw more people, especially those opposed to abortion, practicing it. Yes, I have an adopted daughter. She is 16, and has always known she is adopted. How many of the babies put op for adoption today actually are adopted? How many families adopt children from outside the country when there are children in their city and state awaiting adoption? Why do some who oppose abortion, and champion adoption, object to gay couples adopting children?
 

Lycan

Preternatural
if women are forced to take their pregnancys to term

*Angellous shutters at the thought of a free society even considering forcing women to do this against their will*

After that, we can have a "Bill of Rights BBQ" and various other book burnings, and a funeral for liberty. :areyoucra
But in this "Free" society we all are forced to do things all the time...

We have laws that say you have to wear a seatbelt when in a vehicle whether you want to or not. Not everyone wants to wear one, but everyone has to. The law takes away the free choice, but was intended to save lives. Which is exactly what abolishing abortion would do, take the free choice to save lives. The same can be said of assault, the law takes away the free choice of knocking random strangers up side the head, but is in place protect people. Because of the nature of man, a completely free society is an impossibility. IMHO, people pitch a fit when they are adversely affected by someone else invoking personal liberties, but refuse to acknowledge a problem when their own impede or affect others.
 

KateTacular

Member
Fluffy said:
Not necessarily. I am at a loss to see why, if checked regularly, sterilisation of both partners cannot lead to a fine sex life without children.
One problem with this is the unwillingness of many, many doctors to sterilize people who are unmarried, young, and/or have not had a child yet, even though that would be the entire point for a lot of people. Also, the cost can be prohibitive for many people.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
For those of you that voted adopted how many of you have adopted children of your own? The poll is tricky because it is contingent if you don't view abortion as murder. Contingent upon the situation of the family the country or area of living and the demographics and nature or propensity of people to adopt in that area.
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
KateTacular said:
One problem with this is the unwillingness of many, many doctors to sterilize people who are unmarried, young, and/or have not had a child yet, even though that would be the entire point for a lot of people. Also, the cost can be prohibitive for many people.
Even here, where the cost of sterilization is mainly footed through medicare if you don't have private insurance, I've known people who didn't even like children - let alone not wanting any of their own - who have been flatly refused when asking for a vasectomy. One guy was married to someone who was also adamantly against having children, and they both got told to go away and think about it for a few years.
 

Dinogrrl

peeb!
Heck...I'm 18, I know I don't want my own children right now. I'd rather adopt a child than bring Dino-spawn into the world. I would rather like to, like, not be able to have kids any more. Being female sucks sometimes >:{.

But I'd rather have other stuff done to me first, so I can wait. u_u
 
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