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Abortion v Adoption
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KateTacular
Member
As someone who is pro-choice, I believe that it depends on the beliefs of the pregnant woman. It would be a bad idea for her to abort if she is pressured into it, but it would also be a bad idea to carry the child to full-term because of pressure. I have no ethical problems with either option.
Saint Xtreme
Member
I don't feel you can say that either one is a blanket answer. Each situation must be evaluated as it comes. What's right for a girl at 18 may not be right at 20 or 21 and may not be right at 23.
skills101
Vicar of Christ
I think both are equally stupid choices. I think abortion is murder, yet I don't think adoption services are meant for people who just enjoy banging each other, then throwing their kid to live w/ strangers...
But come on folks, how hard is it to read instructions, swallow a pill, and slip on a condom?
How about we make both choices cost one million dollars? Any parents who can't pay up will be subject to sterilization, then 5 years in a state prison.
Then, THEN, people will begin to second-guess whether they should not use birth control...
But come on folks, how hard is it to read instructions, swallow a pill, and slip on a condom?
How about we make both choices cost one million dollars? Any parents who can't pay up will be subject to sterilization, then 5 years in a state prison.
Then, THEN, people will begin to second-guess whether they should not use birth control...
QUOTE "This is thread is specifically for debating this aspect of the issue so lets not get into the rest of it."
My reply was on the simplistic attitude of 'kill a child' or 'allow that child to be brought up by someone else, because I can't/won't'
I think the idea of the question was to stick to basics.
My reply was on the simplistic attitude of 'kill a child' or 'allow that child to be brought up by someone else, because I can't/won't'
I think the idea of the question was to stick to basics.
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
There is no birth control that is 100% effective- not even sterilization. Mistakes happen. Accidents happen. I think it's disgusting to want the cost of both to be that high, it's not like the situation isn't bad enough for the person or persons who find themselves there.
But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
If the woman wants to carry the fetus to term, then adoption is better.
If the woman doesn't want to be pregnant at all, then abortion is better.
It's no one's choice but the woman's.
skills101
Vicar of Christ
Okay, okay. The pill, if taken correctly, has a failure rate of 0.3%. The condom, if used carefully, provides complete protection against STD's and pregnancy. And sterilization has a 0.15% failure rate. And, if that doesn't work, let's not forget about emergency contraception.jamaesi said:
Yes, mistakes happen. But since when were laws made for the idiots or the exceptions of the world?
Jaymes
The cake is a lie
I'd prefer adoption. I know several people who have quite happily adopted people. I'd like for the adoption system and the general attitude of those who want to adopt to change, though. I don't care if someone wants a perfectly healthy white male child... they should be grateful to adopt any kid they can, if they truly want one.
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
Saint Xtreme
Member
Planned Parenthood has the numbers he posted. It's always difficult to find the same numbers on international message boards, but a law just passed in the US requiring a pharmacist give out the "morning After Pill" if a woman asks.
CaptainXeroid
Following Christ
Obviously, the ideal scenario is to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Once one does occur, adoption is better.
skills101
Vicar of Christ
Insel, Paul M., and Walter T. Roth. Core Concepts in Health, 2004 Update-Ninth Edition. New York: McGraw Hill, 2004.jamaesi said:
And thankfully, Saint pointed me to P.P.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/birthcontrol/pub-birth-control-02.xml
My statistics are for the birth control that's used correctly. You'd be shocked to see how much of a leap it is from those who use it correctly, and those who don't.
CaptainXeroid
Following Christ
WOW! This makes too much sense to be possible.jimbob said:I've got an idea, why don't we just abstain until you are ready to support a kid
Maybe there's something to what our parents and preachers have been telling this all along.
skills101
Vicar of Christ
I guess people don't really like to go on facing a possibility that has less than a .3 percentege rate.jimbob said:I've got an idea, why don't we just abstain until you are ready to support a kid
the way i see it, first of all one should use the best possible methods of birth control before deciding to have sex, but if your stupid and don't think of the consequences of sex and don't want to care for a child than i think abortion is the way to go. there are just far too many children out there who will never get a chance to be adopted. and these children grow up feeling rejected and and i just don't think that is right.