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The PC proves Kant was right about God!
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sondadareas
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Hi to all!
At last, Jeremiah has wrote something I can reply to!
He wrote that when he program his PC he programs it with KNOWLEDGE!!!
This is the most ignoramus thing I read!! The PC can only juggle binary patterns!!! I am beginning to doubt if he knows anything about hardware or software! All computers today, whether digital or analog deal with electrical signals. The (digital) CPU can only move a binary value from one address to another; perform arithmetic operation between 2 patterns then store the result in a 3rd location; get a value from an address & compare it one by one to a block of memory until a match is found..etc..
When I look at a location & see that the pattern there is 00001010 I am the one who is going to interpret that this pattern stands for the decimal number 10.
When the PC is playing a chess game with a human what's happening is exactly as described above: binary patterns bouncing inside the electronics guts.
Another example: Suppose I want to display the number 10 using lots of light bulbs, and a short software. I'll assign location T, as a port then rig it up so that when it contains the patterns 00001010 the bulbs will light forming the figure '10'. Both the binary pattern & the bulbs' arrangement are arbitrarily my design. It's possible I'll decide that the pattern in address T should be 11111111 & still I can rig the bulbs to display '10'.
If we should send the Encyclopedia Brittanica to outer space, only in digital form, no super-intelligent ET will ever decipher it.
And Jeremiah seems to think that his brains are different from the rest of us! Does he believe that there's a soul in his brain? Instead of electrical pulses? If his total philosophy doesn't come from his THSN, then where does it come from?
Like the PC, our brains can only 'compute' electrical pulses, for all OW phenomena must be transduced into the inner world of the brain.
However, there's one great difference: we have consciousness!
A PC can be rigged & be able to compute that sombody is hitting it with a hammer, however it will not feel the pain ( I can rig it up to cry 'Ouch!')
because it's not conscious.
The PC can also be rigged to 'compute' colors but it cannot experience seeing colors.
Peace,
Sondadareas
At last, Jeremiah has wrote something I can reply to!
He wrote that when he program his PC he programs it with KNOWLEDGE!!!
This is the most ignoramus thing I read!! The PC can only juggle binary patterns!!! I am beginning to doubt if he knows anything about hardware or software! All computers today, whether digital or analog deal with electrical signals. The (digital) CPU can only move a binary value from one address to another; perform arithmetic operation between 2 patterns then store the result in a 3rd location; get a value from an address & compare it one by one to a block of memory until a match is found..etc..
When I look at a location & see that the pattern there is 00001010 I am the one who is going to interpret that this pattern stands for the decimal number 10.
When the PC is playing a chess game with a human what's happening is exactly as described above: binary patterns bouncing inside the electronics guts.
Another example: Suppose I want to display the number 10 using lots of light bulbs, and a short software. I'll assign location T, as a port then rig it up so that when it contains the patterns 00001010 the bulbs will light forming the figure '10'. Both the binary pattern & the bulbs' arrangement are arbitrarily my design. It's possible I'll decide that the pattern in address T should be 11111111 & still I can rig the bulbs to display '10'.
If we should send the Encyclopedia Brittanica to outer space, only in digital form, no super-intelligent ET will ever decipher it.
And Jeremiah seems to think that his brains are different from the rest of us! Does he believe that there's a soul in his brain? Instead of electrical pulses? If his total philosophy doesn't come from his THSN, then where does it come from?
Like the PC, our brains can only 'compute' electrical pulses, for all OW phenomena must be transduced into the inner world of the brain.
However, there's one great difference: we have consciousness!
A PC can be rigged & be able to compute that sombody is hitting it with a hammer, however it will not feel the pain ( I can rig it up to cry 'Ouch!')
because it's not conscious.
The PC can also be rigged to 'compute' colors but it cannot experience seeing colors.
Peace,
Sondadareas
Reverend Jeremiah
Member
there is as much proof for the existence of souls as there are unicorns and satyrs. As far as solipsism goes, I will no longer argue the world that only exists in your thoughts.
wish me away Sondadereas
wish me away Sondadereas
sondadareas
Member
You guys still don't get it!!!
Absolutely nobody can look at the OW objectively because each CONS (consciousness) must start subjectively, from within one's own CONS!
How can you prove to your dog, for instance that colors exist, when the OW cannot, absolutely, trigger the experience of colors in DCONS ( dog CONS!)
Then, how can your dog convince you that ultrasonics, which he can experience, in fact, exist? Remember that the only thing he can do is let you watch on the oscilloscope the presence of sinewaves, say, beyond 20khz. But, absolutely you cannot experience auditorily ultrasonic air vibrations.Yes, you'll say that because you can see them on the scope, so they must exist. But then, the microprocessor within the scope might be playing games with your CONS!
But you trust your dog more than you trust the MCU within that scope so, you believe that air can vibrate ultrasonically! You have the right to believe because from my POV , you have the right to be solipsistic! Of course! I've been posting that - that everyone must be true to his/her own THSN!
OK..I'll try again..!
Everyone has a mental world - or else you're just a PC with no CONS! -
& absolutely all the OBJECTS in your mental world are... MENTAL OBJECTS!What else? If you're face to face (not in bed, please!) with your spouse he/she is just - from your POV - a mental object! If s/he is not a mental object then you must be sleeping or unconscious! The simple reason for this is that, for ANYTHING in the OW to intereact with your mentality, it must first interact with your physicality, then transduced into your mental world! ( You might be starting to suspect now that my mentality is somewhat going around in circles here, solipsistically. But , please be patient! Wait for my coming posts!)
So,
(1) you have a mental world, MW ( not MA, mental asylum!) This is your advantage over your PC who has, memories, like you, but no CONS!
(2) everything in the OW must first interact with your physical body before it can become one of your MO, mental objects!
(3) your mental world, MW is all you are! Blame your body if you cannot hear DOGmatically, ie, ultrasonically like you dog!
(4) the real you is your MW ( not the MW of others!), your THSN, & finally, NOW!
NOW is the ongoing present which your CONS continuously creates & which I will create in your MW in my next posts! For now, please be assured that without NOW you would have no SOC. SOC? SOC is Stream Of CONS!
Peace,
sondadareas
Absolutely nobody can look at the OW objectively because each CONS (consciousness) must start subjectively, from within one's own CONS!
How can you prove to your dog, for instance that colors exist, when the OW cannot, absolutely, trigger the experience of colors in DCONS ( dog CONS!)
Then, how can your dog convince you that ultrasonics, which he can experience, in fact, exist? Remember that the only thing he can do is let you watch on the oscilloscope the presence of sinewaves, say, beyond 20khz. But, absolutely you cannot experience auditorily ultrasonic air vibrations.Yes, you'll say that because you can see them on the scope, so they must exist. But then, the microprocessor within the scope might be playing games with your CONS!
But you trust your dog more than you trust the MCU within that scope so, you believe that air can vibrate ultrasonically! You have the right to believe because from my POV , you have the right to be solipsistic! Of course! I've been posting that - that everyone must be true to his/her own THSN!
OK..I'll try again..!
Everyone has a mental world - or else you're just a PC with no CONS! -
& absolutely all the OBJECTS in your mental world are... MENTAL OBJECTS!What else? If you're face to face (not in bed, please!) with your spouse he/she is just - from your POV - a mental object! If s/he is not a mental object then you must be sleeping or unconscious! The simple reason for this is that, for ANYTHING in the OW to intereact with your mentality, it must first interact with your physicality, then transduced into your mental world! ( You might be starting to suspect now that my mentality is somewhat going around in circles here, solipsistically. But , please be patient! Wait for my coming posts!)
So,
(1) you have a mental world, MW ( not MA, mental asylum!) This is your advantage over your PC who has, memories, like you, but no CONS!
(2) everything in the OW must first interact with your physical body before it can become one of your MO, mental objects!
(3) your mental world, MW is all you are! Blame your body if you cannot hear DOGmatically, ie, ultrasonically like you dog!
(4) the real you is your MW ( not the MW of others!), your THSN, & finally, NOW!
NOW is the ongoing present which your CONS continuously creates & which I will create in your MW in my next posts! For now, please be assured that without NOW you would have no SOC. SOC? SOC is Stream Of CONS!
Peace,
sondadareas
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Chill dude. We get it; we just don't know what to do with it. It's not that hard a concept to get. But it has no functional consequences that I can see.sondadareas said:
Look, either solipsism is correct or it is incorrect. If it is incorrect, then we can safely ignore it. If it is correct, we still have no other option other than to behave as if it is incorrect. One can't very well live as if there is nothing else other than what one directly perceives. Therefore, we still ignore it. There is no functional consequence to your earth-shattering revelation.
Uh... nope. I would trust the oscilloscope more than I would trust my dog trying to convince me. Talking dogs may exist in your world. They don't in mine, since I have never perceived such a thing.sondadareas said:
[PART QUOTE=sondadareas]"You guys still don't get it!!!
Remember that the only thing he can do is let you watch on the oscilloscope the presence of sinewaves, say, beyond 20khz. But, absolutely you cannot experience auditorily ultrasonic air vibrations.Yes, you'll say that because you can see them on the scope, so they must exist. But then, the microprocessor within the scope might be playing games with your CONS!"
[/PART QUOTE]
Ive got to say that I have to disagree with you on that one, sondadareas; my dog forebade me to look at the oscilloscope - each time I bring it out he barks at it, tries to bite the mains cable and tells me to mind my own business. Maybe he wants to keep his 'power' a secret ?
Remember that the only thing he can do is let you watch on the oscilloscope the presence of sinewaves, say, beyond 20khz. But, absolutely you cannot experience auditorily ultrasonic air vibrations.Yes, you'll say that because you can see them on the scope, so they must exist. But then, the microprocessor within the scope might be playing games with your CONS!"
[/PART QUOTE]
Ive got to say that I have to disagree with you on that one, sondadareas; my dog forebade me to look at the oscilloscope - each time I bring it out he barks at it, tries to bite the mains cable and tells me to mind my own business. Maybe he wants to keep his 'power' a secret ?
Reverend Jeremiah
Member
Im sorry, I didnt see that last argument that sondadareas made..I no longer trust any of my sense connected to the outerworld because of sondadareas solipsism.
Did I type this response or did sondadareas imagine me doing it?
Did I type this response or did sondadareas imagine me doing it?
Lostinthisworld
Member
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sondadareas
Member
Lilithu,
Really knowing it - & feeling it in you guts - that you are solipsistic entity is, to use your own phrase, an EARTH-SHATTERING REVELATION!!
This means:
Your reality is your personal creation! You are totally responsible for your own reality. As I posted before, you can choose to be Hitler, gassing millions, or a M. Teresa, loving & washing rotting bodies before they die off!
We have such tremendous possiblities, including jumping off the San Francisco bridge! Suicide makes it 100% true that we are responsible for the personal reality each of us create - all possibilities included!
But also, you can choose to love or heal your neighbors!
Peace,
sondadareas
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Really knowing it - & feeling it in you guts - that you are solipsistic entity is, to use your own phrase, an EARTH-SHATTERING REVELATION!!
This means:
Your reality is your personal creation! You are totally responsible for your own reality. As I posted before, you can choose to be Hitler, gassing millions, or a M. Teresa, loving & washing rotting bodies before they die off!
We have such tremendous possiblities, including jumping off the San Francisco bridge! Suicide makes it 100% true that we are responsible for the personal reality each of us create - all possibilities included!
But also, you can choose to love or heal your neighbors!
Peace,
sondadareas
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