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Is the spirit eternal?

YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
S-word said:
and as I also said, prophets who take in information about the world around them, which information is added to the eternal evolving spirit that is joined to the eternal universal soul, is also able to transmit to the world, messages from the eternal evolving Spirit, to who all created spirits are gathered, before being judged as acceptible to the ever evolving mind that is God, or wheter to be separated from the eternal universal soul which is the Logos, to which the spirits are gathered as the ever evolving and eternal living mind that is God.
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I realize this might sound like I am being picky, but a receiver, by definition is unidirectional. If such a device (or being) is acting in a dual manner then it is somewhat silly to maintain that it is "but a receiver" or "merely a receiver". This foot loose and fancy free approach to definitions has a tendency to discredit the very point you are trying to make. I hope that is clear.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
I realize this might sound like I am being picky, but a receiver, by definition is unidirectional. If such a device (or being) is acting in a dual manner then it is somewhat silly to maintain that it is "but a receiver" or "merely a receiver". This foot loose and fancy free approach to definitions has a tendency to discredit the very point you are trying to make. I hope that is clear.
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You are being picky, Prophets began like all us other animals, as merely receivers, who were later converted by the ultimate receiver of all the incoming information, into transmitters.(For thus sayeth the Lord)
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
S-word said:
You are being picky, Prophets began like all us other animals, as merely receivers, who were later converted by the ultimate receiver of all the incoming information, into transmitters.(For thus sayeth the Lord)
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Ok... so now you are moving the goal posts. Spiffy.
BTW: Who, precisely is this "Lord" person, to whom you are referring?
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
Ok... so now you are moving the goal posts. Spiffy.
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YmirGF said:

BTW: Who, precisely is this "Lord" person, to whom you are referring?
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Good heavens, you're on a general Religious Debate, and you don't know who the Lord God Almighty is, perhaps you should stick with the Atheist Debates, “Thus sayeth the Lord,” is a pretty common biblical expression which refers to the Lord God Almighty, not much sense being in a religious debate if you don’t know that.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
S-word said:
Good heavens, you're on a general Religious Debate, and you don't know who the Lord God Almighty is, perhaps you should stick with the Atheist Debates, “Thus sayeth the Lord,” is a pretty common biblical expression which refers to the Lord God Almighty, not much sense being in a religious debate if you don’t know that.
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This post says so much more about you than you could ever possibly imagine.

Believe it or not, there are several hundred religions.
Hundreds of Gods.
Billions of followers, each with their own unique perspective of God.


Nevermind.
 
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BaronVonKaiser

Member
Hate to drag a good debate into definitions, but you have to realize that these words were created by millenia old religions that have had to go through countless changes as our race has developed and learned more about how the universe actually works. I was once told as a child that the concept of a soul originally came from a man who dreamt that he was flying every night. So he had people watch over him all night as he slept, and when they informed him that his body had not gone anywhere, he theorized that he must have a soul that left his body and flew through the air. I have doubts as to wether that exact story is correct, but that is about the most scientific explanation for a soul that I've ever heard, and thats not saying much. It seems to me much more likely that spirits and souls are man made ideas to convince ourselves that we are more than just biological machines. Just an ancient theory that probably should have been discarded eons ago.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
S-word said:
Good heavens, you're on a general Religious Debate, and you don't know who the Lord God Almighty is, perhaps you should stick with the Atheist Debates, “Thus sayeth the Lord,” is a pretty common biblical expression which refers to the Lord God Almighty, not much sense being in a religious debate if you don’t know that.
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Dare I ask if you know what a run on sentence is?

Understandibly, you misunderstood the nature of my point. Given that you cannot even approach proving the existence of said "Lord God Almighty" does tend to put the rest of what your are asserting into a rather dubious light. Your suppositions are little more than idle speculation and that's something we both know if the truth be told.
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Runewolf1973 said:
My beliefs are simple and can be summed up in a few words. Existence is Animate. Everything that has movement also has spirit. It can never be destroyed, but can change form. But that's just how I percieve things. Can your beliefs be summed up in so few words? Maybe that would help. I do respect your beliefs, but I guess I just understand things a little differently.
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Can that spirit exist separate from the things How and why.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
bobhikes said:
Can that spirit exist separate from the things How and why.
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All is spirit. All is animate energy. Humans only perceive themselves to be separate and for there to be separate "things". All is One energy. As that energy changes form, it takes on different percievable shapes and characteristics, but the "anima", that animate force or spirit is always there and is inseparable. After our body ceases to sustain our life energy, that seemingly lifeless body that remains is still full of "animate vibrational energy" is it not? It is still changing form. It is not "dead" energy, energy cannot die. As long as it is changing, it has "anima", it has "spirit". We are a part of that "consciousness" of the Universe and existence, we are not separate from it. Therefore, if there was such thing as a God that existed, in that sense, we are already at one with God. But that is just the way I see things.
 
Dezzie

Dezzie

Well-Known Member
S-word said:
If you beilve that God creates your soul then brings it to earth and chooses a family into which that created soul is to be born, then it is not eternal. Eternity is not just a never ending series of tomorrows, but also an endless series of yesterdays, which according to your belief, means that your soul which you believe God created a few years ago, then created a human body for it after introducing it into a family that he had created, into which family, he had placed the souls of the family that he had ceated, then it is not eternal.
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Well... okay... but my question is... where do the souls of people come from to begin with? I think that from the soul being created and on would constitute it being eternal...? I'm not sure though.
 
Kcnorwood

Kcnorwood

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gnostic said:
Did the soul exist before it was housed in a physical, earthly human body?
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Yes I believe that it did. I believe that we have to choice to come back & to be human again if we want to. I do believe that I have been here in the past.
 
Hema

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
I believe that the Spirit is of the same nature as God and therefore does not have a beginning nor an end...because God to me is not bound by physical laws such as time.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
kcnorwood said:
Yes I believe that it did. I believe that we have to choice to come back & to be human again if we want to. I do believe that I have been here in the past.
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Thanks, kcnorwood.

Though, personally, I'd prefer not to come back at all. One life-time is really enough for me.

Don't get me wrong, though. I don't want to go to Christian/Islamic heaven (or the other place, hell). I simply don't want an afterlife. It is just that afterlife or the reincarnation don't really appeal to me, whatsoever. When I die, I simply want to cease to exist; absolutely nothing.

If given a choice of going to heaven, hell, return to earth in another body, or go to some other planes of existence, my answer would be "No thanks. Don't want it."

I simply want to "rest in peace"....literally.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
Hema said:
I believe that the Spirit is of the same nature as God and therefore does not have a beginning nor an end...because God to me is not bound by physical laws such as time.
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How could one exist before they were born?
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
As humans we are energy-bodies are we not? If it is true that energy can neither be created, nor destroyed, then that conception or birth was not a creation of energy was it? We were not "created", it was a transformation. The consciousness already existed, the rest of the body took form after. This is why I believe in reincarnation. It is all about energy and change. Energy is "alive". But that is my perspective.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
Very simply. The same way one exists now.
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From the universal dictionary, 'BIRTH':1. The beginning of existence. 2. Any beginning or origin. If birth is the beginning of existence, I repeat the question, "How can you, the developing godhead to that female body of man, exist before you are born?"
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Katzpur said:
Very simply. The same way one exists now.
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Well, personally, I exist as a dynamic pattern created through 100's of trillions of synaptic connections connecting the 100 billion individual neurons located in my brain.

I fail to see how I existed before my brain did, since my brain is ultimately what "I" am.
 
Troublemane

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
...but brain is NOT what we are, brain is just a lump of grey matter, which some use more than others :)

MIND is what we are. We are the spaces between the thoughts, not the thoughts themselves. Saying we are our grey matter is just another level back from the apparency we call "the world". Keep stripping it away and you'll find the Ultimate Whatever IT IS behind it all! :angel2:
 
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