Sex and Spirituality

TGC · Feb 6, 2009

I have been looking at lots of religions lately and i can say that most of them are against sex and masturbation. i think this is disappointing. i would like to change that. if you use sex for the wrong reasons it becomes bad, this is the same with everything. but, sex and masturbation can have a meditative quality with it. i will explain how.

1. be conscious of every movement.
2. feel every feeling
3. be every feeling
4. try to keep thoughts away
5. become the sexual act itself

if you do this, you will use sexuality as means for gaining enlightenment.

im not teaching indulgence either. your ego says, " if i do this i will be impure and then i will not be able to have a spiritual life". this is wrong. your ego will always want to be this or that. your ego always wants to be pure. but your never pure with such desires. i can personally say that i believe that this technique should be used and that it will work with tremendous results.

If you have done things wrong in the past, dont worry. dont hinder yourself by dwelling in the past. this is wrong. your ego does this. when masters say that you have to purify your past karma, i laugh. you will purify yourself naturally on the path to enlightenment. so if you have done somthing bad in the past, dont worry the path is always open and always will be for you and for ones who have done worst. one who murdered someone 10 years ago can still embark on the journey and attain enlightenment in this life. enlightenment doesnt care about the past, it only cares about NOW.

thanks for reading

3.14 · Feb 6, 2009

why ruin it by trying to get some enlighenment, there are plenty of other times and ways to get enlightened

Guitar's Cry · Feb 6, 2009

3.14 said:
why ruin it by trying to get some enlighenment, there are plenty of other times and ways to get enlightened

Enlightenment isn't a sequestered thing.

Sexual energy can be a powerful tool for spiritual activity. It's basic, visceral, and dynamic.

Dezzie · Feb 6, 2009

TGC said:
I have been looking at lots of religions lately and i can say that most of them are against sex and masturbation. i think this is disappointing. i would like to change that. if you use sex for the wrong reasons it becomes bad, this is the same with everything. but, sex and masturbation can have a meditative quality with it. i will explain how.

1. be conscious of every movement.
2. feel every feeling
3. be every feeling
4. try to keep thoughts away
5. become the sexual act itself

if you do this, you will use sexuality as means for gaining enlightenment.

im not teaching indulgence either. your ego says, " if i do this i will be impure and then i will not be able to have a spiritual life". this is wrong. your ego will always want to be this or that. your ego always wants to be pure. but your never pure with such desires. i can personally say that i believe that this technique should be used and that it will work with tremendous results.

If you have done things wrong in the past, dont worry. dont hinder yourself by dwelling in the past. this is wrong. your ego does this. when masters say that you have to purify your past karma, i laugh. you will purify yourself naturally on the path to enlightenment. so if you have done somthing bad in the past, dont worry the path is always open and always will be for you and for ones who have done worst. one who murdered someone 10 years ago can still embark on the journey and attain enlightenment in this life. enlightenment doesnt care about the past, it only cares about NOW.

thanks for reading

This is a very neat way of saying it actually. There are other ways to enlightenment too but this is just one out of the other many. I've never thought of sex being a way toward enlightenment... but I like the thought. Thank you for sharing it.

Comicaze247 · Feb 7, 2009

For one, masturbation (at least for men) has biological benefits to it. If a man doesn't let his "boys" "abandon ship" every once in a while, they will "abandon ship" all on their own, usually in the man's sleep, which is really inconvenient. I'd prefer to control my emissions, thank you very much.

I feel that if done for the right reasons, sex can be a spiritual experience all its own.

If you really care for your partner, you will never be as close to them as you are when you make love. The bonding of two souls is one of the most beautiful things in the world.

StudentOfGod · Feb 8, 2009

Additionally, being able to "release" more often than not significantly decreases the risk of prostate cancer, since it clears out the impurities that are stored in that area. Where you choose to put those impurities is either a matter of choice or opportunity.

And I agree with OP that sex can be a very spiritual experience. It's when it becomes a purely hedonistic exercise that there are greater risks for moral slippage. With sex, just like anything else, moderation and responsibility are generally good ideas.

Hema · Feb 8, 2009

Comicaze247 said:
The bonding of two souls is one of the most beautiful things in the world.

That's true. Well put.

It's also spiritual in addtion to physical.

Allfather · Feb 8, 2009

Hema said:
That's true. Well put. It's also spiritual in addtion to physical.

I think that when this idea is lost, it is very sad indeed. I think so many people are caught up in the idea that sex is "bad", and only has the purpose of procreation, then the whole spiritual side of it is lost.

J Bryson · Feb 10, 2009

Sex as a path towards spirituality is a time-honored concept, which can be seen if you look at the Tantric systems of belief. On the other hand, while I understand what the OP was trying to say, it may be mistaken to say that Christianity is against sex, or anti-sex. Rather, from what I understand, most denominations with which I'm familiar see sex as a beautiful and spiritual expression of both human and divine love when performed within the context of the marriage vows.

However, I differ with Christians in this matter, and find that sex between two willing and loving partners can be a profound experience regardless of ritual or creed.

Charity · Feb 11, 2009

Sex is a beautiful expression of love and bonding between lovers no matter what the circumstances surrounding the relationship......

Sex isn't ugly or sordid it's the people who don't do it that makes it that way!

Allfather · Feb 11, 2009

Honestly, I think it is all about intent. Sex can be a beautiful but it can also be one of the most destructive forces. Rape, Poor intentions, resulting in unplanned pregnancy, loss of self, guilt, etc.

It is very much something that requires pen communication and (here it comes) love. Well, love is a strong word. Deep emotional connection. Frivolous sex can be so destructive to individuals and relationships, IMO.

I think this is why religions have a strict view of sex; not because it is inherently bad, but because of the consequence and emotional seriousness of the act.

Also, this may not be the case with everyone, but for the most part, sex is considered something serious, regardless of what that seriousness implies

MysticSang'ha · Feb 11, 2009

Allfather said:
Honestly, I think it is all about intent. Sex can be a beautiful but it can also be one of the most destructive forces. Rape, Poor intentions, resulting in unplanned pregnancy, loss of self, guilt, etc.

It is very much something that requires pen communication and (here it comes) love. Well, love is a strong word. Deep emotional connection. Frivolous sex can be so destructive to individuals and relationships, IMO.

I think this is why religions have a strict view of sex; not because it is inherently bad, but because of the consequence and emotional seriousness of the act.

Also, this may not be the case with everyone, but for the most part, sex is considered something serious, regardless of what that seriousness implies

Excellent post!

That's why when I say that I really wish I could bang the whole world as a "whore", I don't mean just to have that as the claim to fame or to boost my ego - but honestly for the benefit of all sentient beings.

As they say in my tradition, skillful means is skillful means.

zenzero · Feb 11, 2009

Friends,
Personally would like to add to friend Allfather's statement:
The enrgy is the same but when it moves downwards towards physical sex it becomes a mechanical act the same energy when moving upwards becomes a meditation as in tantra.
Choice remains with the individual; those who are enlightened can point their finger towards the moon, understanding is left to individual as to their meaning.
Without sex we would not have been here? possibly.
Love & rgds

Diederick · Feb 13, 2009

Sex involves a lot of emotions, but I don't see anything supernatural about that, or sex in a more general form. Everything we feel during sex is caused by stimulation and hormones, and perhaps correlation with what is really happening and what our brain imagines at that time. After all, "the brain is the biggest erogenous zone".

With spirituality not being my thing and all, I'd rather stick with sex as being a way of bonding, intimate relationship, giving in to what is natural to Man.

Sex itself is not evil, it is a tool one can do evil with. The same way guns never killed anyone, it was people wielding them. The damage, however, can be great in both instances, guns will obliterate the skull brutally exposing the brain mass to the light of day - which it was never meant to see so directly. Sex, because of the intense involvement of emotions, can damage a person mentally when that sex was used as a tool by someone with cruel intentions - one is never as naked, as while having sex; such exposure, both mentally and physically, makes people very vulnerable.

Ozzie · Feb 14, 2009

if you use sex for the wrong reasons it becomes bad, this is the same with everything. but, sex and masturbation can have a meditative quality with it. i will explain how.

The answer my friend
Is blowin' in the wind...

UXmil · Feb 16, 2009

Almost everywhere I look masturbation is a sin. But why? In anyholy manuscrip does it say anywhere that pleasing yourself is wrong?

Diederick · Feb 16, 2009

UXmil said:
Almost everywhere I look masturbation is a sin. But why? In anyholy manuscrip does it say anywhere that pleasing yourself is wrong?

Not literally, more in the sense of touching yourself or something more general and vague.

Perhaps the same as why bourkah's are the latest fashion; the Muslim holy book says that a woman should cover up parts of her body that would be desirable for men. I'd interpret that as the writer intending women to not walk around naked - not entirely covered in a depressing cloth. It's like walking by Cousin Itt in the street, and he's been cloned!

In general, God tends to be obsessed with what you do in bed. This confuses me... then again; for a guy that by his own principles only has sex to create children, and only got one son WITHOUT EVEN HAVING SEX, must be a little itchy.

Charity · Feb 16, 2009

UXmil said:
Almost everywhere I look masturbation is a sin. But why? In anyholy manuscrip does it say anywhere that pleasing yourself is wrong?

Thats the whole point people shouldn't be looking everywhere....What does anyone care what someone thinks about it as long as your in your own private space when you do it? It's not like your going to have a sign stamped on you saying what you did for all the world to see.....
Don't worry about what anyone thinks if it feels good just do it.....

Sunstone · Feb 16, 2009

Allfather said:
Honestly, I think it is all about intent. Sex can be a beautiful but it can also be one of the most destructive forces. Rape, Poor intentions, resulting in unplanned pregnancy, loss of self, guilt, etc.

I can largely agree with you here.

It is very much something that requires pen communication and (here it comes) love. Well, love is a strong word. Deep emotional connection. Frivolous sex can be so destructive to individuals and relationships, IMO.

I'm not so sure frivolous sex is always destructive, but rape certainly is.

I think this is why religions have a strict view of sex; not because it is inherently bad, but because of the consequence and emotional seriousness of the act.

It's on this point that we are in serious disagreement. I think the Abrahamic faiths tend to approach women as a commodity and sex and heirs as the most important part of the package. In other words, their "strict view of sex" is more derived from their approach to women as commodities than from any desire to avoid any bad consequences of the abuse of sex -- such as the bad consequences of rape.

Allfather · Feb 16, 2009

Sunstone said:
It's on this point that we are in serious disagreement. I think the Abrahamic faiths tend to approach women as a commodity and sex and heirs as the most important part of the package. In other words, their "strict view of sex" is more derived from their approach to women as commodities than from any desire to avoid any bad consequences of the abuse of sex -- such as the bad consequences of rape.

I completely agree, I might have misspoken. This may be purely conjecture, but I think that a strict view of sex because of the emotional (in)stability might have been intended from the start, but has been perverted by the largely patriarchal groups the moral structures have risen from. just like anything else can be, the interpretation has been constructed based around someone's bias. Even the writers might have intended to create a somewhat egalitarian moral code, but because of their patriarchal tendencies they construe it in their favor.

Same concept as some KKK members using the story of Cain and Abel to show "the mark of Cain" to validate prejudice against African Americans, or the Hindu "Laws of Manu" being misconstrued to validate a prejudice against women/widows. It is man's application of the text that has made women a commodity, not necessarily (in some cases) the actual text

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