JesusIsTheWay
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Anything that goes against God or something God has said.
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Oh no there's a homosexual in me!
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Any behavour that cannot and will not be supported by God.oracle said:
He is veery clear on the matter.
Sin is tolerated in this earth. but not in heaven.
Heaven is about Jesus Christ. everything in it. If you have pleasure in activity in the earth that is not acceptable in heaven..... well, I believe that speaks for itself.
Circle_One
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Well, if I had to choose between being in the Grace of your God--having my soul spend eternity with Him in Heaven, but having to be an intolerant bigot..and being tolerant towards all other people but because of this, spending eternity in hell....I'd be grabbing my sun block.
I cannot see how people can say Jesus was compassionate and loving and God is loving and whatnot, yet there are people who still condemn homosexuality in His name. I don't see the compassion or love in this. It seems people like this would rather live their lives by a book (a book written millenia ago) than live their lives by common decency and compassion...again..where's the sun block, because I'd rather be in hell than have to be the kind of person who condemns someone for their sexuality.
It's times like this that make me overwhelmingly ecstatic to not be Christian.
I cannot see how people can say Jesus was compassionate and loving and God is loving and whatnot, yet there are people who still condemn homosexuality in His name. I don't see the compassion or love in this. It seems people like this would rather live their lives by a book (a book written millenia ago) than live their lives by common decency and compassion...again..where's the sun block, because I'd rather be in hell than have to be the kind of person who condemns someone for their sexuality.
It's times like this that make me overwhelmingly ecstatic to not be Christian.
Prima
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If you truly believe the bible, then I also had him die for me. And I never particularly said that I have a problem with deliverance...if it made Jesus happy to deliver peoples sins, I'm happy for him.
That's a shame. I feel sorry for you. Perhaps homosexuals would do a better job. You see, they face pain and torture every day from supposed Christians, who make their lives miserable by constantly harrassing them. So I must say that they would be actually more like Jesus than you. seeing as how they take the pain and torment and don't usually fight back. That is very much like Jesus, is it not? That would make those who hate homosexuals be similar to those who tortured Jesus.
. You see, they face pain and torture every day from supposed Christians, who make their lives miserable by constantly harrassing them. So I must say that they would be actually more like Jesus than you. seeing as how they take the pain and torment and don't usually fight back. That is very much like Jesus, is it not? That would make those who hate homosexuals be similar to those who tortured Jesus.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that there are those in society who harrass homosexuals. the people who do this are also likely to harass the jews for the last 1700 years who are more like Jesus in that they were made to feel as a race, exactly as Jesus did even to the Holacost. There ar misguided people who have no knowledge of Jesus who go out working the works of the devil and Jesus said what would happen to them in Matthew chp 7and 8. The bible is very clear and those who want to follow Jesus can according to the instructions in the book and as the Spirit leads them always in agreement to the Word.
I'm sorry that there are those in society who harrass homosexuals. the people who do this are also likely to harass the jews for the last 1700 years who are more like Jesus in that they were made to feel as a race, exactly as Jesus did even to the Holacost. There ar misguided people who have no knowledge of Jesus who go out working the works of the devil and Jesus said what would happen to them in Matthew chp 7and 8. The bible is very clear and those who want to follow Jesus can according to the instructions in the book and as the Spirit leads them always in agreement to the Word.
The fact that you would compare yourself to Jesus in sufferings means only one thing.Since you identify yourself with homosexuals you must be of a reprobate mind and can never understand that homosexualoity is sinful. Since you cannot recognize this it is obvious to me that this is what has happened. Sorry!Prima said:
Hi, Dr Khan,Dr. Khan said:
PART QUOTE]:http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/StBasilBehavior.shtml
"The Christian ought not to grudge another's reputation, nor rejoice over any man's faults; he ought in Christ's love to grieve and be afflicted at his brother's faults, and rejoice over his brother's good deeds. He ought not to be indifferent or silent before sinners. He who shows another to be wrong ought to do so with all tenderness, in the fear of God, and with the object of converting the sinner. He who is proved wrong or rebuked ought to take it willingly, recognizing his own gain in being set right. When any one is being accused, it is not right for another, before him or any one else, to contradict the accuser; but if at any time the charge seems groundless to any one, he ought privately to enter into discussion with the accuser, and either produce, or acquire, conviction. Every one ought, as far as he is able, to conciliate one who has ground of complaint against him. No one ought to cherish a grudge against the sinner who repents, but heartily to forgive him. He who says that he has repented of a sin ought not only to be pricked with compunction for his sin, but also to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. He who has been corrected in first faults, and received pardon, if he sins again prepares for himself a judgment of wrath worse than the former. He, who after the first and second admonition abides in his fault, ought to be brought before the person in authority, if haply after being rebuked by more he may be ashamed. If even thus he fail to be set right he is to be cut off from the rest as one that makes to offend, and regarded as a heathen and a publican, for the security of them that are obedient, according to the saving, When the impious fall the righteous tremble. He should be grieved over as a limb cut from the body. The sun ought not to go down upon a brother's wrath, lest haply night come between brother and brother, and make the charge stand in the day of judgment.
A Christian ought not to wait for an opportunity for his own amendment, because there is no certainty about the morrow; for many after many devices bare not reached the morrow. He ought not to be beguiled by over eating, whence come dreams in the night. He ought not to be distracted by immoderate toil, nor overstep the bounds of sufficiency, as the apostle says, "Having food and raiment let us be therewith content;" unnecessary abundance gives appearance of covetousness, and covetousness is condemned as idolatry.
A Christian ought not to be a lover of money, nor lay up treasure for unprofitable ends. He who comes to God ought to embrace poverty in all things, and to be riveted in the fear of God, according to the words, "Rivet my flesh in thy fear, for I am afraid of thy judgments." The Lord grant that you may receive what I have said with full conviction and show forth fruits worthy of the Spirit to the glory of God, by God's good pleasure, and the cooperation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Saint Basil the Great"PART QUOTE]
I am not sure that your reply to Prima is in the manner befitting a Christian - according to the above, as I see it.
Perhaps this might also apply ?
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
You might want to get that checked out before it festers...Dr. Khan said:
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
Well, if he doesn't understand that homosexuality is sinful, it's certainly not from lack of people telling him so. And if God's not in the business of listening to sinners, then why the hell is ANYONE on their knees praying?Dr. Khan said:
Green Gaia
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Dr. Khan said:
LL, brings up a good point... I thought your religion taught that EVERYONE, including the holier-than-thous, are sinners? Are you saying that your God listens to no one?
oracle
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IF sin is tolerated, then why are you pointing out someone's speck in their eye? I don't think that it is so much as non-acceptable, I think heterosexuality or homosexuality does not apply. "Heaven" is non-sexual. However whether hetero or homo, we are sexual creatures, and our sexuality cannot be suppressed. Whether you are hetero or homo, you still have sexual thoughts and sin. Don't lie or pretend that you don't. People who suppress their sexuality and pretend that they don't have one usually end up with a psychological complex. And BTW all sin is the same in God's eyes.Dr. Khan said:
So I don't understand why you point out a specific group of people and exclude the people outside of this group, when the sinful nature can apply to sexuality in general.
What's really sinful, is when you intentionally cause harm on others.
Please define the behavior that the bible specifically speaks of. In the OT, God promoted slaughter, so evidently that is not sinful by your definition.
cturne
servant of God
I am surprised that no one has joined in this thread in support of Dr. Khan. Well, here is some support. Why is it that when someone condems homosexuality as a sin (as it is clearly stated in the Bible), then that person is labeled as a 'homophobe', or accused of hating homosexuals? If I tell someone they are sinning, it is not to harrass that person. It is showing my love for that person, to give them the chance of eternal life in heaven. It is to show them their sin, to bring them to repentance. Repentance is the way into heaven. We are commanded by God to love everyone, but to hate sin. I can love my children, but hate what they do. If I tell my children they are sinning, I am not harassing them, nor am I hating them; I am showing my love for them, as I want them to have eternal life in heaven. I feel very sad for people who find the idea of eternal life in heavenly bliss - no sickness, cares, or trouble of any kind - so distasteful that they would rather 'grab the sunblock'. All I can do is pray for you. There is so much more to say, but it's late so I'm done for now.
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