Jews not a race

From Table of Contents from "The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today" by Elizabeth Dilling

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They are named in Genesis 49 as: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulon, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Napthali, Joseph, Benjamin.
Three of them started their tribes by marrying non-Semites. Judah married a Canaanite, (a descendant of Ham not Sem or Shem). See Genesis 38. His offspring were thus as Hamitic as they were “Semitic” right from the start. Four hundred years later, around 1300 BC, descendants of Judah’s half-Hamitic son, Shelah, were weavers and potters (I Chronicles 2:3; 4:21-3). They were still producing “Jews.”
Simeon, another of Israel’s tribe-founding sons, married a Canaanite (Genesis 46:10).
Israel’s son Joseph married the daughter of the Hamitic Potiphar in Egypt. Egypt was setttled and peopled by Mizrain, son of Ham. It was called “the land of Ham” (Numbers 12:1; Psalms 78:51; 106:22, 105:23).
Moses was not a Jew. He was a Levite on both sides (Exodus 2:1). Abraham, his son Isaac, and his son Jacob, called “Israel,” were not Jews either. Only one of Jacob’s twelve sons had “Jews” as descendants — that was Judah. Grabbing the whole Bible, as modern Pharisees do, is false. However, it is likewise false for Christians to deny the identifying genealogy of Christ through Judah, as Biblically foretold.
In monotonous repetition the books of Joshua and Judges record that although the Israelites were triumphant in their battles against the Canaanites, they let the abominators remain and intermarried with them. For example: “But the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.” ( Joshua 15:63) “Neither did Ephraim [also Manasseh] drive out the Canaanites … but the Canaanites dwelt among them … And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem to this day.” ( Judges 1:21)
“And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites and Perizzites and Hivites, and Jebusites. And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord … and served Baalim and the groves.” ( Judges 3:5-7)
The denunciations of the Israel kingdom are superlative on the subject of mixing with abominators, making “altars to sin.” “Ephraim [the dominant Israel tribe] hath mixed himself among the people.” ( Hosea 7:8; 8:9, 11, etc.) Isaiah called them “the drunkards of Ephraim.” ( Isaiah 28:1, 3) The charges of mixing with abominators, whoring “under every green tree” ( Isaiah 57:5; Deuteronomy 12:2) hardly builds up a foundation of genealogical purity.
From 1095 to 975 BC there was a united Israel kingdom under Kings Saul, David and Solomon. Then the ten-tribe Northern Israel kingdom divided, lasting until deported by the Assyrians in 721 BC. The Judah-Benjamin Jerusalem kingdom lasted until 606 BC., when its people were deported by the Babylonians.
The miracle of how Judaistic Pharisaism has convinced the Christian world that its adherents stem from a pure Judah-Israel racial stock cannot be fathomed, since Christians have access to the Biblical record itself.
In Christ’s time, when the Pharisees boasted that they were children of Abraham, John and Christ threw the boast back into their faces. ( Matthew 3:7-10; John 8:33-44)
When the little German lady who boasted to me of her Jewishness at the Bible conference, said, “We are children of Abraham,” I replied: “Lots of people are. In fact, God changed Abram’s name to Abraham, meaning a ‘father of many nations,’ saying: ‘for a father of many nations have I made thee’ ( Genesis 17:5).”
Abraham did not just father the tribe of Judah. Through his grandson, Jacob, came the 12 mixed-blood tribes of Israel. He had 16 offspring by Keturah, who fathered a horde of [page 57] Eastern peoples, Midians, Arabs, etc. Through his son Ishmael, born of the Hamitic Egyptian Hagar, twelve separate nations were founded. The great blessing promised through Abraham was Christ.
Even at the time of Christ the time had long since passed when it could be said that the racial melange comprising the inhabitants of the Holy Land were identifiable as “Semites” or “Jews.”
Jews A Non-Racial Pharisee Sect

Present-day Jews are a pot-pourri of every race of man, and they do not have any geneaological or racial derivation from the ancient peoples of the Holy Land.
Since “Jews” were a mixed race from the beginning, the term “Semites” applied to them, admittedly, is silly. Thus, “Anti-Semitism,” actually means “Anti-Pharisaism.”

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So how can the Jews in present-day Israel say they are the "true" jews?

Thoughts anyone?

Jews are an ethnic group. All are directly related, either through adoption or through blood, to one another. All Jews come initially from Israel - Jew, additionally, is a misnomer - it is a synonym of "Israelite", not "Judite" as many would believe (and even though "Jew" is, in fact, derived from Judah, it means Israelite). That's why "Jew" is translated in other languages to words derived from "Israel", for example, the Russian "Yerevskaya" is translated, without exception, into English as "Jewish", despite different derivative words - Yerevskaya clearly deriving from Israel. Additionally, to deny we, at very least, are mostly derived from the Holy Land is insulting and ignorant to basic world history.

There is no question, genetically, that we are Semitic in our root; even if Jews are not all-Semitic, all Jews are part-Semitic, which is rare outside the Middle East; thus, "antisemitic" tends to mean "anti-Jewish", though, literally, it refers to all those of Semitic extraction, including other small ethnic groups, such as Samaritans, Chaldeans, and Assyriacs, as well as the lion's share of Semites, Arabs. But, until the last century, an Arab, Assyriac, Chaldean, Samaritan, or any other person of Semitic extraction, would be extremely rare in an English-speaking country. Thus, antisemitic and anti-Jewish came to be synonymous, though, today, they no longer are.

Thank you for the explanation, Elessar. I've often wondered about this.

I don't see 'Jews' as a race. Surely it is a religion...I could be wrong...

Elessar said:

Jews are an ethnic group. All are directly related, either through adoption or through blood, to one another. All Jews come initially from Israel - Jew, additionally, is a misnomer - it is a synonym of "Israelite", not "Judite" as many would believe (and even though "Jew" is, in fact, derived from Judah, it means Israelite). That's why "Jew" is translated in other languages to words derived from "Israel", for example, the Russian "Yerevskaya" is translated, without exception, into English as "Jewish", despite different derivative words - Yerevskaya clearly deriving from Israel. Additionally, to deny we, at very least, are mostly derived from the Holy Land is insulting and ignorant to basic world history.

There is no question, genetically, that we are Semitic in our root; even if Jews are not all-Semitic, all Jews are part-Semitic, which is rare outside the Middle East; thus, "antisemitic" tends to mean "anti-Jewish", though, literally, it refers to all those of Semitic extraction, including other small ethnic groups, such as Samaritans, Chaldeans, and Assyriacs, as well as the lion's share of Semites, Arabs. But, until the last century, an Arab, Assyriac, Chaldean, Samaritan, or any other person of Semitic extraction, would be extremely rare in an English-speaking country. Thus, antisemitic and anti-Jewish came to be synonymous, though, today, they no longer are.

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You cant say its an ethnic group because lets say you have a black person and white person make a baby--what ethnic group do the baby pertain? If one is a "jew/israelite" and the other is not, then what? Is it a "jew" or a "gentile"?

Like it is stated above there is no way to tell who is "semitic" because from jump the israelites started mixing with the nations.

From what i have been reading so far, antisemitic really is a dislike of .... well i just quote what the author put

So-called “Judaism” is nothing but Babylonian Talmudic Pharisaism, which at base is crass paganism, pantheistic atheism, a conglomeration of all the forms of paganism concocted through the centuries. New descriptions concocted for this very old satanism, such as “immanence” (Spinoza); “emanation” (Talmudic Cabala); “dialectical materialism” (Marx) merely dress up old pagan concepts.

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And after reading whats in the Jewish encyclopedia and Talmud/Oral Law ---this is what "the gentiles" are anti against. The Talmud is...there isnt a nice word to call it. I will quote the author who has gotten their quotes directly from the Jewish encyclopedia and the Talmud---

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he basic Talmudic doctrine includes more than a "super-race" complex. It is an "only" race concept. The non-Jew thus ranks as an animal, has no property rights and no legal rights under any code whatever. If lies, bribes or kicks are necessary to get non-Jews under control — that is legitimate. There is only one "sin," and that is anything which will frighten non-Jews and thus make it harder for the Jewish "humans" to get them under control. "Milk the Gentile," is the Talmudic rule, but don't get caught in such a way as to jeopardize Jewish interests. Summarized, Talmudism is the quintesscence of distilled hatred and discrimination — without cause, against non-Jews.

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And then there is other stuff not mentioned here about sodomy, baby girls and men, and other stuff

frg001 said:

I don't see 'Jews' as a race. Surely it is a religion...I could be wrong...

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I think you should read Elessar's response. Judaism is a religion. "Jewish" is an ethnicity, not a race.

AK4 said:

Like it is stated above there is no way to tell who is "semitic" because from jump the israelites started mixing with the nations.

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All ethnicities are mixes of different tribes. There were many tribes in Ireland that formed what is now called "Irish". Same with "English" or "germanic" or "Middle Eastern". So, there were multiple tribes that ended up forming the Israelites or "Jews". Now people are descended from that group and so are part of that ethnic group. Do you think Hitler went around asking Jews whether they believed in God or the Torah or whatever? No. They were Jewish because of their ancestry.

mball1297 said:

All ethnicities are mixes of different tribes. There were many tribes in Ireland that formed what is now called "Irish". Same with "English" or "germanic" or "Middle Eastern". So, there were multiple tribes that ended up forming the Israelites or "Jews". Now people are descended from that group and so are part of that ethnic group. Do you think Hitler went around asking Jews whether they believed in God or the Torah or whatever? No. They were Jewish because of their ancestry.

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But there are ethopian jews, chinese jews, etc jews here, etc jews there, that have been this "way" for centuries upon centuries. I believe the ethopian jews go back even before Christs time.

So there is no way for a group of people who say they are the "real or pure" jews are deserving of that promise land. They have just as much of a right as me or you. Assuming you or me are a "gentile".

AK4 said:

You cant say its an ethnic group because lets say you have a black person and white person make a baby--what ethnic group do the baby pertain? If one is a "jew/israelite" and the other is not, then what? Is it a "jew" or a "gentile"?

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Then it is ethnically Jewish. To be ethnically Jewish, one does not have to be of both parents Jewish.

Like it is stated above there is no way to tell who is "semitic" because from jump the israelites started mixing with the nations.

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Jews are not the only Semitic ethnicity; I named a few others - Samaritans, Chaldeans, Assyriacs and Arabs. Genetic testing has shown that these four groups, and Jews - from all over the planet, including Ethiopia, China, Spain, Germany, and so on - are closely related - "Semitic" is just the umbrella term used for groups within this genetic pool. We are genetically closest to the average Samaritan (not surprising; they live in the same area as Jews did), and genetically furthest from the average Chaldean (also not surprising; they live in a totally different part of the Middle East, northern Iraq), from what modern genetics can tell us, within these five ethnic groups. Arabs are, by far, the largest Semitic ethnic group, but there are many Semites. We can tell because of GENETICS.

From what i have been reading so far, antisemitic really is a dislike of .... well i just quote what the author put

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"Antisemitism" has, as I said, derived to mean "anti-Jewish", because, until the last 50 years, 90% or more of Semites in English-speaking countries were Jews. Nowadays, there are far more Arabs and other Semitic groups than previously, but the English language does not change so quickly - as antisemitic now means anti-Jewish, just as Jewish now means Israelite, and not the word it derived from, Judah.

Besides, what about antisemitism against anti-Talmudic Jews, such as the Karaites? They reject the Talmud completely and yet no Orthodox Jew nor Nazi would deny their Jewishness.

And after reading whats in the Jewish encyclopedia and Talmud/Oral Law ---this is what "the gentiles" are anti against. The Talmud is...there isnt a nice word to call it. I will quote the author who has gotten their quotes directly from the Jewish encyclopedia and the Talmud---


And then there is other stuff not mentioned here about sodomy, baby girls and men, and other stuff

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These are all lies. Big, fat, untrue, hurtful, insulting LIES. But I'd be lying if I said I've never heard it before. They *LIE* to improve their case against Jews. They always have. Next you'll tell me, there's blood in the matzah at Passover. NOTHING in the Talmud speaks of a super-race, or about Jews being better than anyone else. There is not one word that promotes sodomy nor any other form of sexual immorality nor pedophilia. To "milk the gentile" is a quote from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which has been clearly, repeatedly, and entirely proven as a book of LIES written by the Russian government in the early 20th century.

Elessar said:

Jews are an ethnic group. All are directly related, either through adoption or through blood, to one another. All Jews come initially from Israel - Jew, additionally, is a misnomer - it is a synonym of "Israelite", not "Judite" as many would believe (and even though "Jew" is, in fact, derived from Judah, it means Israelite). That's why "Jew" is translated in other languages to words derived from "Israel", for example, the Russian "Yerevskaya" is translated, without exception, into English as "Jewish", despite different derivative words - Yerevskaya clearly deriving from Israel. Additionally, to deny we, at very least, are mostly derived from the Holy Land is insulting and ignorant to basic world history.

There is no question, genetically, that we are Semitic in our root; even if Jews are not all-Semitic, all Jews are part-Semitic, which is rare outside the Middle East; thus, "antisemitic" tends to mean "anti-Jewish", though, literally, it refers to all those of Semitic extraction, including other small ethnic groups, such as Samaritans, Chaldeans, and Assyriacs, as well as the lion's share of Semites, Arabs. But, until the last century, an Arab, Assyriac, Chaldean, Samaritan, or any other person of Semitic extraction, would be extremely rare in an English-speaking country. Thus, antisemitic and anti-Jewish came to be synonymous, though, today, they no longer are.

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How can you be sure that other nations were not born, by the offspring of abraham?

Abraham did not just father the tribe of Judah. Through his grandson, Jacob, came the 12 mixed-blood tribes of Israel. He had 16 offspring by Keturah, who fathered a horde of [page 57] Eastern peoples, Midians, Arabs, etc. Through his son Ishmael, born of the Hamitic Egyptian Hagar, twelve separate nations were founded. The great blessing promised through Abraham was Christ.

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Could it be that there are other ethnicities which come from abraham, and is just as much part of this geneology of abraham as the next jew? Since the jews themselves are a mixture of various races and enthnicities, on what grounds do you claim to be the only children of abraham, and therefore the only holy nation?

PS: Im just trying to understands, not to cause a stir.

Elessar said:

just as Jewish now means Israelite

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Ok, sorry you posted while i was typing.

Thank you for the info.

I would have to disagree with your statement above.

I would say most people have come to think the isrealites in the bible has become the jews.

Though there is no reason to believe that the isrealites after they were scatttered, have retained any of the reasonably pure blood during the four hundred years of exile. And even before the exile there was a mixuture of blood.

Genetically...im thinking that its all a bit watered down by now. Also...the father of the first isrealite was a gentile. HE HE...so whats the point?:rainbow1:

Heneni

Where would one find a 100% jew (isrealite) staight from father abraham...all the way down to today, without any intermixing of blood?

Heneni

Heneni said:

How can you be sure that other nations were not born, by the offspring of abraham?



Could it be that there are other ethnicities which come from abraham, and is just as much part of this geneology of abraham as the next jew? Since the jews themselves are a mixture of various races and enthnicities, on what grounds do you claim to be the only children of abraham, and therefore the only holy nation?

PS: Im just trying to understands, not to cause a stir.

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We don't claim to be the only children of Avraham - we claim to be the heirs of Avraham. There is a difference. We claim to be the promised people, to whom G-d planned to reveal his Torah and (for Messianic Jews) the Messiah but that does not deny that there are other children of Abraham; Yitz'chak was the heir of Avraham (he was the eldest son of the first wife), to take his place as leader of the clan and inheritor of G-d's promise. But there are other sons of Avraham, none of which are mentioned in a terrible light, themselves. As the Torah says -

G-d heard the boy's voice, and the angel of G-d called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What's wrong with you, Hagar? Don't be afraid, because G-d has heard the voice of the boy [Ishmael] in his present condition. Get up, lift the boy up, and hold him tightly in your hand, because I am going to make him a great nation...
G-d was with the boy, and he grew. He lived in the desert and became an archer. He lived in the Par'an Desert, and his mother chose a wife for him from the land of Egypt."
B'resheet 21:17-18,20

Avraham took another wife, whose name was K'turah. She bore him Zimran, Yokshan, Medan, Midyan, Yishbak; and Shuach. Yokshan fathered Sh'va and D'dan. The sons of D'dan were Ashurim, L'tushim, and L'umim. The sons of Midyan were 'Eifah, Efer, Chanokh, Avida, and Elda'ah. All these were the descendants of K'turah.
Avraham gave everything he owned to Yitz'chak. But to his other sons he made grants while he was still living and sent them off to the east, to the land of Kedem, away from Yitz'chak his son.
B'resheet 25:1-6

Also, other descendants of Avraham though not Jews, come from Yitz'chak's other son, 'Esav (who was Yisrael's elder brother). According to the Tanakh, sold his birthright to Yisrael thusly:

One day when Ya'akov had cooked from stew, 'Esav came in from the open country, exhausted, and said to Ya'akov, "Please! Let me gulp down some of that red stuff - that red stuff! I'm exhausted!" (This is why he was called Edom [red].) Ya'akov answered, "First, sell me your rights as the firstborn." "Look, I'm about to die!" said 'Esav. "What use to me are my rights as the firstborn?" Ya'akov said, "First, swear to me!" So he swore to him, thus selling his birthright to Ya'akov. Then Ya'akov gave him bread and lentil stew; he ate and drank, got up, and went on his way. Thus 'Esav showed how little he valued his birthright.
B'resheet 25:29-34

Later on, Moshe Rabbeinu's wife, Tziporah, was a descendant of Midyan, along with his father-in-law, Yitro, and, according to some theories, Iyov (Job) was also a descendant of Avraham through one of these other sons.

So, in conclusion, we claim to be the rightful heirs of Avraham, not to be his only descendants. Indeed, according to some Jewish traditions, Arabs are descended from Ishmael.

Heneni said:

Ok, sorry you posted while i was typing.

Thank you for the info.

I would have to disagree with your statement above.

I would say most people have come to think the isrealites in the bible has become the jews.

Though there is no reason to believe that the isrealites after they were scatttered, have retained any of the reasonably pure blood during the four hundred years of exile. And even before the exile there was a mixuture of blood.

Genetically...im thinking that its all a bit watered down by now. Also...the father of the first isrealite was a gentile. HE HE...so whats the point?:rainbow1:

Heneni

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You probably, admittedly, wouldn't find a single Jew who is completely, purely descended from Israelites, even if you only count back to since the beginning of the Diaspora; there have been significant conversions to Judaism in the past, most notably the Khazars; these have merged so fully into Ashkenazi Jewry in general it is impossible that they are not all integrated by today, but their descendants would not be "100% ethnic from Yisra'el." In addition, rape victims' children are considered fully Jewish even if the father was clearly non-Jewish (this is the root, in many Jews' opinion, of the explicit statement in the Talmud that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish father is Jewish).

It is quite possible that there are a few people who are pure-blooded all the way going back, but as I said, I doubt it highly. Perhaps some levitical or cohenic families that have been extremely careful and Orthodox for millennia, it is possible.

Elessar said:

We don't claim to be the only children of Avraham - we claim to be the heirs of Avraham. There is a difference. We claim to be the promised people, to whom G-d planned to reveal his Torah and (for Messianic Jews) the Messiah but that does not deny that there are other children of Abraham; Yitz'chak was the heir of Avraham (he was the eldest son of the first wife), to take his place as leader of the clan and inheritor of G-d's promise. But there are other sons of Avraham, none of which are mentioned in a terrible light, themselves. As the Torah says -

G-d heard the boy's voice, and the angel of G-d called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What's wrong with you, Hagar? Don't be afraid, because G-d has heard the voice of the boy [Ishmael] in his present condition. Get up, lift the boy up, and hold him tightly in your hand, because I am going to make him a great nation...
G-d was with the boy, and he grew. He lived in the desert and became an archer. He lived in the Par'an Desert, and his mother chose a wife for him from the land of Egypt."
B'resheet 21:17-18,20

Avraham took another wife, whose name was K'turah. She bore him Zimran, Yokshan, Medan, Midyan, Yishbak; and Shuach. Yokshan fathered Sh'va and D'dan. The sons of D'dan were Ashurim, L'tushim, and L'umim. The sons of Midyan were 'Eifah, Efer, Chanokh, Avida, and Elda'ah. All these were the descendants of K'turah.
Avraham gave everything he owned to Yitz'chak. But to his other sons he made grants while he was still living and sent them off to the east, to the land of Kedem, away from Yitz'chak his son.
B'resheet 25:1-6

Also, other descendants of Avraham though not Jews, come from Yitz'chak's other son, 'Esav (who was Yisrael's elder brother). According to the Tanakh, sold his birthright to Yisrael thusly:

One day when Ya'akov had cooked from stew, 'Esav came in from the open country, exhausted, and said to Ya'akov, "Please! Let me gulp down some of that red stuff - that red stuff! I'm exhausted!" (This is why he was called Edom [red].) Ya'akov answered, "First, sell me your rights as the firstborn." "Look, I'm about to die!" said 'Esav. "What use to me are my rights as the firstborn?" Ya'akov said, "First, swear to me!" So he swore to him, thus selling his birthright to Ya'akov. Then Ya'akov gave him bread and lentil stew; he ate and drank, got up, and went on his way. Thus 'Esav showed how little he valued his birthright.
B'resheet 25:29-34

Later on, Moshe Rabbeinu's wife, Tziporah, was a descendant of Midyan, along with his father-in-law, Yitro, and, according to some theories, Iyov (Job) was also a descendant of Avraham through one of these other sons.

So, in conclusion, we claim to be the rightful heirs of Avraham, not to be his only descendants. Indeed, according to some Jewish traditions, Arabs are descended from Ishmael.

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thank you.

What do you think god meant when he told abraham that he would be the father of many nations? Does that mean one nation, i.e israel today? Or does that mean..many nations plus israel?

If abraham is the father of many nations...then the promises made to abraham applies to all the nations that his descendants went to...which means they are all heirs of the promise.

Im not saying this is correct...im just musing here.

How would you explain the 'father of many nations', yet the promises only apply to isreal of today?

heneni

Im really struggling to say what i mean.

The bible says...if you are of the seed of abraham, then you are heirs according to the promise. Abrahams seed is represented in many countries.

Do you not recognise that as being legit? Why would the promises only apply to a certain group? Even though esau sold his birthright, he could not very well remove his dna?

heneni

The Jews are not a race?

Next someone is going to tell me the Earth is not flat!

Elessar said:

Then it is ethnically Jewish. To be ethnically Jewish, one does not have to be of both parents Jewish.

Jews are not the only Semitic ethnicity; I named a few others - Samaritans, Chaldeans, Assyriacs and Arabs. Genetic testing has shown that these four groups, and Jews - from all over the planet, including Ethiopia, China, Spain, Germany, and so on - are closely related - "Semitic" is just the umbrella term used for groups within this genetic pool. We are genetically closest to the average Samaritan (not surprising; they live in the same area as Jews did), and genetically furthest from the average Chaldean (also not surprising; they live in a totally different part of the Middle East, northern Iraq), from what modern genetics can tell us, within these five ethnic groups. Arabs are, by far, the largest Semitic ethnic group, but there are many Semites. We can tell because of GENETICS.

"Antisemitism" has, as I said, derived to mean "anti-Jewish", because, until the last 50 years, 90% or more of Semites in English-speaking countries were Jews. Nowadays, there are far more Arabs and other Semitic groups than previously, but the English language does not change so quickly - as antisemitic now means anti-Jewish, just as Jewish now means Israelite, and not the word it derived from, Judah.

Besides, what about antisemitism against anti-Talmudic Jews, such as the Karaites? They reject the Talmud completely and yet no Orthodox Jew nor Nazi would deny their Jewishness.

These are all lies. Big, fat, untrue, hurtful, insulting LIES. But I'd be lying if I said I've never heard it before. They *LIE* to improve their case against Jews. They always have. Next you'll tell me, there's blood in the matzah at Passover. NOTHING in the Talmud speaks of a super-race, or about Jews being better than anyone else. There is not one word that promotes sodomy nor any other form of sexual immorality nor pedophilia. To "milk the gentile" is a quote from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which has been clearly, repeatedly, and entirely proven as a book of LIES written by the Russian government in the early 20th century.

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Okay it may be "lies", but please explain these-- (click on links also)

Sodomy is an accepted privilege in Judaistic Talmudism, and we learn from the Talmud, Abodah Zara, 36b, 37a, (see Exhibit 188 and Exhibit 189) that the exception may be if the subject is a Gentile baby, and then only on the ground of alleged defilement. The "Sages" decree that a heathen child causes "defilement by seminal emission, so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit pederasty [i.e. sodomy] with him." Then a harangue commences as to the age when a heathen child starts defiling by discharges (which, in fact, are only possible after adolescence). The standard idiotic Talmud doctrine is then repeated that a male is "capable of the sexual act" at "nine years and one day" and a female from the age of "three years and one day." From those ages on they can "defile" the Jew, goes the argument in this passage.

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The Jewish Encyclopedia states (See Exhibit 269): "The Mishnah &#8230; declares that if a Gentile sued an Israelite, the verdict is for the defendant [the Jew]; If the Israelite is the plaintiff, he obtains full damages."
The Talmud, Book of Baba Kamma, 4th chapter and 3rd Mishnah, is then cited, which deals with ox-goring being acceptable if the ox belongs to a Jew and gores the ox of a non-Jew. (See Exhibit 39)
And in Baba Kamma, Folio 113b (not reproduced, page 664 of Soncino edition) is this:

"Where a suit arises between an Israelite and a heathen, if you can justify the former according to the laws of Israel, justify him and say: 'This is our law;' so also if you can [page 19] justify him by the laws of the heathens, justify him and say to the other party: 'This is your law;' but if this cannot be done, we use subterfuges to circumvent him."
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These are some of the reasons that people may be "anti semitic". These are just for starters---I am not trying to cause any trouble im just looking for answers.

gnomon said:

The Jews are not a race?

Next someone is going to tell me the Earth is not flat!

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The worlds population has intermixed to such an extent already...i would say prepare for a NOT flat earth.

I dont know how it matters though...

OK..it mattered in the OT

But our spirits have no colour...so if some people of god inherit some stuff that others dont because their mommy didnt fall for the jewish fella, im a bit sceptical.

But i still want to understand why the jews feel that they are still the only heirs of the promise. Maybe they are heirs to a promise, but not the promise im thinking of...so im listening.

Heneni

Question: How much intermixing of blood is allowed before someone is not of one race anymore but another.

If a man and women both chinese marry and have a kid

the kid marries a black man...then they have a kid

the child (part chinese part black) marries another black man

the child that is born..is looking less chinese by now...and marries another black...

When that child has to fill in 'race' on an application form...what should it be?