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So what is in store for people who murder non-combatants?

God will deal with them.

DontFearMe said:

God will deal with them.

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Hey arabian Knight,

You said:

You are absolutly correct Allah doesn't enterfere with human's free will even thought he knows what the person is going to do ?

but it's us(Humans) who make the decision so we can't blame God for the mistakes that we make

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What about what the Qur'an says?

I know it says in sura 18:29 "This is the truth from your Lord. Let him who will, believe in it, and him who will, deny it."

How does this and what you said fit with 10:100 "Noone can have faith except by God's leave. He will visit his scourge upon the senseless", and 17:13, "The fate of each man We have bound about his neck."

just wondering.

i am still writing down the answers to your 60 questions. Sorry about the delay!

Got another quick questions, What are your views on The Bible and other books do you believe the Bible is also truth since they would be the same God. or do you totally reject it.

Arabian knight said: From the Qur’anic point of view, Man is the khalifah (vicegerent) of God on earth

The Quraan said, that human is a khalifah (vicegerent)

but we cant say that he is the khalifah of ALLAH because khalifah means that the king is dead for example and another one takes his place (khalifah).

and as we all know, that GOD never die, so we cannot be khalifah of GOD.

plus that human cannot be ALLAH's khalifa.......why ?!

because, is ALLAH need someone to make his job ?!!!

of course no

GOD never need, because GOD is perfect.

If you read many "tafasir" of the Quraan, you will see that, human is the khalifah of other beings were on the earth before the humanity.

im saying all this because many many muslims consider that word "khalifah" is khalifah of GOD as i said.

and i just want to say the trith about this

because ALLAH is higher than to have a khalifah

i hope you can understand what i mean.

barak ALLAH fik my brother

Ahmed El Hadeka.

Got another quick questions, What are your views on The Bible and other books

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2:79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

Excerpt from the Quran for you. The People of the Book (jews&christians) have their torah, and the other their gospel. Their books are corrupted. And what other books are u speaking of?

do you believe the Bible is also truth since they would be the same God. or do you totally reject it.

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The bible is mixed with falsehoods from islamic view. Woe, is a term in quran that brings with it horrible reprucussions. i hoped i spelled that right. Dont know how well i can articulate that here. I dont take anything from the bible.

another point is

that when ALLAH said to angels that he will make a khalifah on the earth

their answer (just for more information) were : would you (ALLAH) make on earth who kill and make bad things?

so, why did angels said this?

i think because they knew that their were beings on earth were killing eacth other .......etc ...etc

and that's what the tafasir said.

and if you want more information about this, ask me, beuase it is a long story.

hope you can understand what i mean.

Thank you.

Ahmed El Hadeka.

for the question of "Dont fear me" about who's writing the book with his own hands and then say, it's from GOD.

Quraan talked about that this book (Quraan) is believing in the old books (torah and bible) and in the same time said that this books was edited and now it is not the same as GOD sent.

and as we know that Quraan called these people as people of book.

what that means?

that Quraan believe in the old books (torah and bible) as they believe in GOD and the last day (day of judgment) and there is a difference between bad and good things.

these things is the major things for a religion

because the non-believers, doesnt believe in god and the day of judgment.

but the difference is that: as i said Quraan believe in the major things in old books
but doesnt believe in many details....for example:
Quraan and islam as a whole doesnt believe in the old testament that : GOD was fighting with Jacob ....etc......

so, the books that Quraan was talking about as (people of book) are the torah and bible

and muslims believe that GOD sent the torah to moses and the bible to jesus but there are people who changed in it and wrote things in it and said it is from GOD .........as you mentioned.

i hope you can understand what i mean,

Thank you.

Hadeka

1. What do most Muslims think of Hindus? Muslim oppression on Hindus is undenaible in history, like for example in 1411, Sultan Ahmed Shah robbed the Hindu city of Karnavati, burned Hindu religious texts and crushed Hindu temples because he believed he was killing "kafir" or non-Muslims for the sake of Allah. Then there were also tolerant Muslims like the Mughal ruler Akbar who encouraged Muslim-Hindu marriages between elite familes, and himself married a Hindu Princess, of which his only son was born out of. Then the not so tolerant Aurangzeb was another Mughal ruler that came into power and taxed non-Muslims (which included Buddhists as well as Hindus). I am curious to ask, what are the general views of Muslims onto Hindus? It is important to notice Hinduism is a non-conversion seeking religion and is peaceful.

engime said:

1. What do most Muslims think of Hindus? Muslim oppression on Hindus is undenaible in history, like for example in 1411, Sultan Ahmed Shah robbed the Hindu city of Karnavati, burned Hindu religious texts and crushed Hindu temples because he believed he was killing "kafir" or non-Muslims for the sake of Allah. Then there were also tolerant Muslims like the Mughal ruler Akbar who encouraged Muslim-Hindu marriages between elite familes, and himself married a Hindu Princess, of which his only son was born out of. Then the not so tolerant Aurangzeb was another Mughal ruler that came into power and taxed non-Muslims (which included Buddhists as well as Hindus). I am curious to ask, what are the general views of Muslims onto Hindus? It is important to notice Hinduism is a non-conversion seeking religion and is peaceful.

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Well thank you for your inquiry. It is difficult for any muslim in this forum to speak for all muslims worldwide. This is a personal question. I dont hate hindus. Now if your question is, "What is Islam's stance on hinduism?" That could be discussed.

DontFearMe said:

Now if your question is, "What is Islam's stance on hinduism?" That could be discussed.

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Well is I suppose Islam thinks Hinduism is wrong. Since Islam appears to only respect "People of the Book" or Christians and Jews, does the religion seek to convert all Hindus or consider them "infidels" like Ahmed Shah did?

I have another question. It was proven Mohammed married a girl named Aisha when she was 6 and he consummated with her when she was 9. Mohammed was around 50 at that time. What do you think of this?

Edit: I hope I do not affend you.

Well is I suppose Islam thinks Hinduism is wrong. Since Islam appears to only respect "People of the Book" or Christians and Jews, does the religion seek to convert all Hindus or consider them "infidels" like Ahmed Shah did?

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Islam is a religion for all people. You have the right and are granted the invitation to learn and accept it under no compulsion.

002.256: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

And infidel is just another word for a non believer, whether it comes from a christian, jew, or muslim.

I have another question. It was proven Mohammed married a girl named Aisha when she was 6 and he consummated with her when she was 9. Mohammed was around 50 at that time. What do you think of this?

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There is a tradition that states Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad when she was 6 and consumated at 9. There is another tradition saying betrothed at 7. It was not uncommon or taboo for a girl to be married off once she started menstruating. Look at your own culture in India past and present (if ur from india) and you will see just that. This still occurs today in many cultures. Even in the bible. I really do not think anything of it. It was up to her parents to give her to Muhammad. And yes times have changed in many hemispheres and perhaps that is why people would become alarmed at such a thing,But it was common.

I hope I do not affend you

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How could you offend me? Dont worry

Thanks for your clarification. In your Koran quote, it said: "whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold...," therefore saying all other religions & beliefs but Islam are "evil."

Also, Koran 8.12 says - "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." - saying to hurt those unbelievers

Koran 8.65 - "O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand."

Reading through the Koran, it seems Islam is espicially against polytheists. The koran has positive writings like many religious texts do (otherwise it would be hard for Islam to get ground if it didn't say anything postive), yet it encourages many negative acts (which, frankly, no other religion specifically encourages).

Even though you quote a passage which says religion should not be in/spread in compulsion, do you think over the course of Islamic history that has been adeptly followed? There are numerous examples where it has been spread by force (and they outweigh where it has not been spread by force).

Thanks for your clarification. In your Koran quote, it said: "whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold...," therefore saying all other religions & beliefs but Islam are "evil."

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Whoever rejects evil has grasped a trustworthy handhold. This is true, all sorts of evil including worshipping idols. Islam came to shun idolatry and bring man on the path of God who created the heavens and the earth, you and I.

Also, Koran 8.12 says - "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." - saying to hurt those unbelievers

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This verse is referring to the idol worshippers of Mecca who had persecuted the muslims for years. It is not a blanket statement.

Reading through the Koran, it seems Islam is espicially against polytheists. The koran has positive writings like many religious texts do (otherwise it would be hard for Islam to get ground if it didn't say anything postive), yet it encourages many negative acts (which, frankly, no other religion specifically encourages).

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Islam is a way of life that covers virtually every aspect of life and reality. War is reality as well. Now unlike many religions we have a code of conduct from God on how to and why to conduct one and I will not get into those details right now. If you are saying that defending your land, your home, your people, your religion is negative, then we will have to disagree on this matter because this is exactly what Islam promotes.

Even though you quote a passage which says religion should not be in/spread in compulsion, do you think over the course of Islamic history that has been adeptly followed? There are numerous examples where it has been spread by force (and they outweigh where it has not been spread by force).

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Regardless on how some muslims behave, they cannot change the word of God. Some muslims drink and fornicate as well, so does that mean Islam condones these? Thank you

I agree with DontFearMe. 8.12 is no command to murder indiscriminately. It is a practical piece of advice on how to fight against armoured adversaries in wars.

This verse was quoted as "Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." A better translation is (A.Yusuf Ali) "Smite ye above their necks / And smite all their finger-tips off them."

DontFearMe said:

Whoever rejects evil has grasped a trustworthy handhold. This is true, all sorts of evil including worshipping idols. Islam came to shun idolatry and bring man on the path of God who created the heavens and the earth, you and I.

If you are saying that defending your land, your home, your people, your religion is negative, then we will have to disagree on this matter because this is exactly what Islam promotes.

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1.So you are saying Hinduism is evil because they do the evil act of worshipping idols.

2. I am not saying defending this and that of your culture and religion is negative. Muslims, through history, have invaded other lands and destroyed other people's culture and renmants of their religion, justifying it in the name of Islam. Like Amhed Shah destroying Hindu temples and turning them into mosques, muslims invaders like mohammed khiliji destroying buddhist temples in India, and the Taliban bombing up buddhist sculptures in afghanistan. Like you said, some Muslims drink. But when they drink, do they drink in the name of Islam? No, Islam condemns it. When homosexual Muslims are expressing their sexual feelings, are they doing it in the name of Islam? No, apparently it is un-islamic. When Islamic invaders destroy cultures of other religions and people and plan to "Islamisize" it, do they do it in the name of Isam? Yes, ...the Koran says, "'Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day . . . Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) . . .’

1.So you are saying Hinduism is evil because they do the evil act of worshipping idols.

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Any of the 3 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity consider idol worshipping an abomination. Worshipping statues you make with your own hands and say are Gods is absolutely contrary to the message of Islam.

2. I am not saying defending this and that of your culture and religion is negative. Muslims, through history, have invaded other lands and destroyed other people's culture and renmants of their religion, justifying it in the name of Islam.

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Muslims are not the only ones who have done this. Christians have done this, pagans have done this. But if you want to know about the islamic jurisprudence of war you have a lot to study.

Like you said, some Muslims drink. But when they drink, do they drink in the name of Islam? No, Islam condemns it. When homosexual Muslims are expressing their sexual feelings, are they doing it in the name of Islam? No, apparently it is un-islamic. When Islamic invaders destroy cultures of other religions and people and plan to "Islamisize" it, do they do it in the name of Isam? Yes

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Regardless of what some muslims do, I posted a verse previously stating there is no compulsion in religion, so you cannot 'islamisize' people. Relgion can always be used as an excuse to do something, but it doesn't mean it is correct in that particular religion.

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...the Koran says, "'Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day . . . Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) . .

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Again, like i said earlier this is not a blanket statement to kill all non muslims.
2: 190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

You see you cannot take one or two verse from the quran or one tradition from the prophet and make a legal judgement about an issue. This is unscholarly and a person of serious scholarship would not do this either. Everything is taken in a comprehensive manner in order to make a judgement. So the verse you provided has a context, and I see you are taking it out. No worries I'm here to teach.

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Any of the 3 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity consider idol worshipping an abomination. Worshipping statues you make with your own hands and say are Gods is absolutely contrary to the message of Islam.

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While they all denounce it, it seems Islam has done most to eradicate these idol-worshipping religions rather than live in peace with it.


On a more general note, if Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance etc. like Muslims claim why has it's message been so blown out of proportion and been distorted? Does anyone bother to teach these young Muslims what Islam condemns and what it doesn't? Why where young Palestinian Muslims children cheering with their parents about 9/11? Why are Muslims boys from madrassas being recruited into terrorist groups (example, the Haqqania madrasa in Pakistan is famous for sending many of it's kids to the Taliban)? Throughout history, many people have gone to do bad things that they thought were good for their religion, like the Crusades with Roman Catholics, but why in Islam has it been like this for so long and so continuous, espicially when there are people like you who seem to know alot about the "real islam?"

engime,

As you are working so hard to get this thread closed, let me help you in that effort.

"Why where young Palestinian Muslims children cheering with their parents about 9/11?" Perhaps the reason they were cheering was that their football team had won against the neighbouring village. In any case, it won't take much to make children cheer, even if they don't know why. I am pretty sure that none of them and few of their parents knew what really had happened.

Considering the wars that the US currently is conducting, the spirit of most of your arguments could be used by Muslims to condemn Christianity.