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If gay is o.k. then why ?

jewscout

Religious Zionist
because they were considered "wicked people"...it wasn't specifically homosexuality that caused Sedom's destruction...in fact i can't recall HaShem punishing that city for sexual immorality anyways...
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
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Genesis 19 is one of the most commonly cited anti-homosexual passage in the Bible. It is so frequently used that the term "Sodomite" that once referred to an inhabitant of Sodom, once became a legal term for criminal sexual acts, has now become a derogatory synonym for a homosexual.

This story is generally thought of in terms of the fate of a single town: Sodom. But according to Deuteronomy 29:22-29, God's anger caused a number of cities to be destroyed. It involved: "...the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath."

Unfortunately, the real names of Sodom and Gomorrah were not preserved. Sodom was derived from the Hebrew word "S'dom," which means "burnt." Gomorrah is derived from the Hebrew word "'Amorah," which means "a ruined heap." These appear to be place names which were assigned after the disaster. 3

Genesis 19 describes how two angels visited the Canaanite city of Sodom. The city had just experienced warfare (Genesis 14:1-2) and was probably on high alert to forestall more conflict. Lot welcomed the angels into his house. They had been sent to warn him that God was displeased with the wickedness of the city's residents. God had decided to destroy a large geographical area, including the city of Sodom. All of the people from the city gathered around the house and demanded that Lot send the strangers to the mob so that they might "know" the angels. Sensing evil intent by the citizens of Sodom, Lot refused. As an alternative, he offered his two virgin daughters to be raped by the mob, if that would appease them. The offer was declined. The angels blinded some of the mob. Later, the angels urged Lot and his family to flee and to not look back. Unfortunately, Lot's wife seems to have had an inquisitive mind. She looked the wrong way, so God killed her on the spot and turned her into a pillar of salt.
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michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Lostinthisworld said:
Who is HaShem and where do you get this name ?
I hope I'm right here, because I'm no scholar, but here goes :-
"HaShem" - (both and neither masculine nor feminine and absolutely no plural); the word means, literally, "The Name," and it is the way that Jews refer to G-d when not in a Prayer or Torah Reading or Torah citation context. The reason is that the Torah forbids us from pronouncing the four-letter Name of HaShem in other than ritual contexts, and even then using only certain Names (other than the four-letter one, known as the Tetragrammaton) that embody characteristics, such as A-donai, E-l, E-lohim.:)
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Lostinthisworld said:
Who is HaShem and where do you get this name ?
Who is HaShem???

HaShem is the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob...the G-d of the Jews...who brought them out of the land of Egypt and all the rest of that woo ha....
it is hebrew for "The Name" which refers to the tetragramiton, (man i don't think i spelled that right) the unspeakable and unpronouncable name of G-d, YHVH
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
the unspeakable and unpronouncable name of G-d, YHVH
Actually, I always thought (because I read it somewhere), that even that wasn't the full name, because they didn't even want to right it, so they took out the vowels.

It could be "Yahovah", "Yohovo", "Yihivi", etc.

Was I wrong in my perception?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Druidus said:
Actually, I always thought (because I read it somewhere), that even that wasn't the full name, because they didn't even want to right it, so they took out the vowels.

It could be "Yahovah", "Yohovo", "Yihivi", etc.

Was I wrong in my perception?
well there are no vowels indicated in The Name so that might be what u mean druidus

actually some Kabbalah sources say that the Torah is just one big name of G-d
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
I dunno. Maybe he thought it'd be fun to play with the volcano he conveniently placed nearby and forgot there was a city there? ;)
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
What I find funny is that God said he wouldn't destroy the city if he found ten righteous people in it, but then he goes ahead and destroys it. We even hear the cries of children. I guess they weren't very righteous. ;)

Meanwhile, Lot's wife turns around and is destroyed for looking back, Lot's daughters get him drunk and rape him to bear children. But that was a damn righteous family! ;)
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
lol @ Druidus...seems so don't it...

Well the problem was HaShem couldn't find 10 righteous people, just Lot
Lot's wife...well...all i can say is if i was her i wouldn't have looked back i'd have been running for my life!

and his daughters...well you know what they say about "keeping it all in the family" lol
j/k actually they thought they were the last remains of the Human race and felt the need to perpetuate it.

regardless i see your point Druidus
 

Pah

Uber all member

EZE 16:49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.


This is the sin of Sodom
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh...
Sins of Sodom and Gomorrha expanded.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Did I say or suggest what the words strange flesh mean? It could mean homosexual flesh, it could mean animals, I have heard it said it refers to them wanting to have intercourse with the angels as well.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Sorry Mr. Emu, I didn't mean to jump on you. This issue is (for obvious reasons) a touchy one with me.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Actually "strange flesh" in Greek is sarkos eteros or 'Heteros Sarkos' if you put the breathings in.

Kiwimac
 

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
It's always homosexuality presented as the sin...never the fact that, according to the interpretation used in this case, these guys apparently rape strangers.

And as long as we're talking about abominations, male homosexuality is right up there with eating shellfish, as I recall. Isn't perspective fun?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
don't forget wearing poly-cotton blend cloths. ;)

Honestly if God was so up in arms about Homosexuality, he should have been smiting more than Sodam and Gomorahh. Athens and Rome never got smote. (or as a good friend of mine prefers "Smut")

wa:do
 
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