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Which English edition of the Bible is the best?

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Dr. Khan

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keevelish said:
I read the King James version because it was developed from manuscripts that were poured over for historical and doctrinal accuracies. The scholars gathered manuscripts and compared them one to another and to the old testament. Any scriptures that contained errors were dismissed. The King James version was formulated from the Textus receptus which is the underlying Greek text. The manuscripts that comprise the Textus Receptus agree with all known scripture 95 percent and number over 5000. All recent versions have been formulated from older manuscripts that were found that contain errors both in doctrine and historical accuracy. Westcott and Hort formulated the English Revised Edition from manuscripts found in the Vatican and the Sinaiticus (CodexAleph) which was found in a monastary wastebasket. This manuscript had over 12,000 changes to it. THe New American Standard Version uses the 23rd edition of the Nestle Greek New testament, which is patterned after the corrupt Westcott-Hort edition. The new versions leave out sections of scripture- some are Acts 8:37, Mark 7-9, and they change portions in many different instances. When the King James Version was directly translated from the Septuagint and the greek new testament, the scholars had to add in certain words in order for the text to flow in a logical manner. THey put these words in italics so that the reader would know for sure that these were the words of the scholars and NOT the word of God. The new versions of the Bible do NOT put words in italic, but completely change the sentence structure- the reader cannot know which is the word of God and which is not. Revelation 22:19 testifies that judgement will be upon any who change the Words that God has written.
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Here here from Dr. Khan
 
*Paul*

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Dead thread or not, a unicorn in scripture is a one horned animal. (uni - corn). Don't let disney cloud your interpretation of scripture. Surley no one thinks that the KJV translators belived in flying horses do they? Read about those men, what we know of them they were fantastic scholars and christians.

P.s Sorry becky, i won't say anything furhter on this, it just bugs me when people put down the awesome A.V.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
a good translation that is not clouded by age old tradtions of men but gets back to the original words of God is the way to go . and here it is New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures online for all serious bible students. and yes it is my most favourite translation . but i have many other translations also, but this is the best.:yes:
 
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writer

Active Member
i think i'd have to call it rather a distortion, not "translation," in salient respects.
Such as John 1:1 pertaining to God
 
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may

Well-Known Member
writer said:
i think i'd have to call it rather a distortion, not "translation," in salient respects.
Such as John 1:1 pertaining to God
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getting back to the original meanings is what a good translation is all about.
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. John 1;1
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
(Philippians 2:6) who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
(Isaiah 9:6) For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14;28yes, the bible when translated correctly always harmonizes
 
Comprehend

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
may said:
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
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How do you harmonize the scripture above with these:
Gen. 32:30
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Ex 33:11
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Deut 34:10
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

Num. 12:8
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Acts 7:56
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
How do you harmonize the scripture above with these:
Gen. 32:30
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Ex 33:11
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Deut 34:10
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

Num. 12:8
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Acts 7:56
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
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(Exodus 33:20) And he added: "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live."

(John 6:46) Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is from God; this one has seen the Father.
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(1 John 4:12) At no time has anyone beheld God. If we continue loving one another, God remains in us and his love is made perfect in us......................... many times in the past angels were the messengers, and Jesus is the one to look to now ,because he was taught by Jehovah , so when we see what Jesus did it is like being taught by the Allmighty Jehovah, thats why jesus said , he that sees me sees the father , he had a good teacher who was the allmighty Jehovah.like father like son.
 
Comprehend

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
you didn't answer my question. What do you think the scriptures I gave you are saying?

P.S. Jehovah is Jesus Chirst, Elohim is God the Father but I guess that is a different thread.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
you didn't answer my question. What do you think the scriptures I gave you are saying?

P.S. Jehovah is Jesus Chirst, Elohim is God the Father but I guess that is a different thread.
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Do not forget that Jehovah had told Moses: "No man may see me and yet live." (Ex. 33:20) And later the apostle John reported as fact: "No man has seen God at any time." (John 1:18) Interestingly, however, concerning the time when angelic announcement was made to God-fearing shepherds about the birth of Jesus, Luke 2:9 reports: "Suddenly Jehovah’s angel stood by them, and Jehovah’s glory gleamed around them." Thus it is shown that manifestations of Jehovah’s glory could be made in connection with the angels. This evidently is what took place when Jehovah caused his glory to appear to Moses. However, it was not the full force of Jehovah’s glory, thus resulting in Moses’ death, but was only the afterglow, God’s "back," as it were. This is consistent with Stephen’s explanation that Moses was "with the angel that spoke to him on Mount Sinai." After this the divine power wrote the Ten Commandments on the new set of tablets that Moses had brought up.—Ex. 34:28.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
comprehend said:
you didn't answer my question. What do you think the scriptures I gave you are saying?

P.S. Jehovah is Jesus Chirst, Elohim is God the Father but I guess that is a different thread.
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Jehovah communicated with Moses on more than one occasion. When Moses was shepherding the flock of his father-in-law alongside Mount Horeb, he saw a burning thornbush that was not consumed. As reported at Exodus 3:4-6, "when Jehovah saw that he turned aside to inspect, God at once called to him out of the midst of the thornbush and said: ‘Moses! Moses!’ . . . And he went on to say: ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.’ Then Moses concealed his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God." Who was it that was actually speaking to Moses on that occasion? Verse 2 says: "Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush." So, it was not Jehovah himself who there appeared to Moses and spoke to him, but it was Jehovah’s angel who, as the representative of God, spoke in His name.
 
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may

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comprehend said:
you didn't answer my question. What do you think the scriptures I gave you are saying?

P.S. Jehovah is Jesus Chirst, Elohim is God the Father but I guess that is a different thread.
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"Face to face" intimacy existed between Jehovah and his servant Moses, even though Moses could not literally see God. (Deuteronomy 34:10; Exodus 33:20)
The Hebrew name for the God of the Bible is יהוה, commonly translated "Jehovah." but as you say that is for another thread.
 
Comprehend

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
may said:

Do not forget that Jehovah had told Moses: "No man may see me and yet live." (Ex. 33:20) And later the apostle John reported as fact: "No man has seen God at any time." (John 1:18) Interestingly, however, concerning the time when angelic announcement was made to God-fearing shepherds about the birth of Jesus, Luke 2:9 reports: "Suddenly Jehovah’s angel stood by them, and Jehovah’s glory gleamed around them." Thus it is shown that manifestations of Jehovah’s glory could be made in connection with the angels. This evidently is what took place when Jehovah caused his glory to appear to Moses. However, it was not the full force of Jehovah’s glory, thus resulting in Moses’ death, but was only the afterglow, God’s "back," as it were. This is consistent with Stephen’s explanation that Moses was "with the angel that spoke to him on Mount Sinai." After this the divine power wrote the Ten Commandments on the new set of tablets that Moses had brought up.—Ex. 34:28.
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i'll try it one more time. you aren't addressing the scriptures I gave you. what do you think they are saying? also, what bible are you reading from? It doesn't say that Jehovah caused his glory to appear to Moses. It says that God spoke to Moses face to face as one man speaketh to another. It is impossible to interpret that scripture in a way that says Moses did not see God. How else do men speak face to face?
 
Comprehend

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
may said:

Jehovah communicated with Moses on more than one occasion. When Moses was shepherding the flock of his father-in-law alongside Mount Horeb, he saw a burning thornbush that was not consumed. As reported at Exodus 3:4-6, "when Jehovah saw that he turned aside to inspect, God at once called to him out of the midst of the thornbush and said: ‘Moses! Moses!’ . . . And he went on to say: ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.’ Then Moses concealed his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God." Who was it that was actually speaking to Moses on that occasion? Verse 2 says: "Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush." So, it was not Jehovah himself who there appeared to Moses and spoke to him, but it was Jehovah’s angel who, as the representative of God, spoke in His name.
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An angel appeared first, then God. How could it claim to be God in verse 6 and also what else could "the true God" be referring to?

To make sure we are talking about the same thing, who do you believe Jesus Christ, God the Father, Adam, and Michael are?
 
Comprehend

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
may said:

"Face to face" intimacy existed between Jehovah and his servant Moses, even though Moses could not literally see God. (Deuteronomy 34:10; Exodus 33:20)
The Hebrew name for the God of the Bible is יהוה, commonly translated "Jehovah." but as you say that is for another thread.
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That makes zero sense. the only reason to use the phrase "face to face" is to show that they DID literally see each other. It says, "as one man speaketh to another" what men do you know that are invisible?
 
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may

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comprehend said:
That makes zero sense. the only reason to use the phrase "face to face" is to show that they DID literally see each other. It says, "as one man speaketh to another" what men do you know that are invisible?
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How did God speak to Moses "face to face"? This expression denotes intimate two-way conversation. Moses talked with God’s representative and orally received instruction from Jehovah through him. But Moses did not see Jehovah, since ‘no man can see God and yet live.’ In fact, Jehovah did not personally speak to Moses. The Law "was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator," states Galatians 3:19.
 
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may

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comprehend said:
That makes zero sense. the only reason to use the phrase "face to face" is to show that they DID literally see each other. It says, "as one man speaketh to another" what men do you know that are invisible?
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The Bible tells us that "Jehovah spoke to Moses face to face, just as a man would speak to his fellow." (Exodus 33:11) Indeed, Jehovah himself said: "Mouth to mouth I speak to him." What a precious, personal relationship Moses enjoyed with his invisible but personal God!—Numbers 12:8.
 
groovyable

groovyable

Member
wow Comprehend and May can debate, you two have very good Bible knowledge, yet i'd have to agree more to May... anyways my favorate Bible edition is the New World Translation because it has restored the name of God and it is very easy to read. My 2nd favorate is the King James version, because its all shall, thy, yee etc... tis fabby.
 
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