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Jesus and Mary Magdalene
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Way back when I was in the Navy, I used to have a lot of male friends. I just liked talking to guys about certain subjects better than women. The males were just friends- completely platonic .But there were so many rumors about those men and me that I never knew what to do. That is why I don't believe Mary M. and Jesus were married. If Jesus was married, it would have been to Martha's sister Mary (Lazarus' 2 sisters). But I don't think He was married (I am not going to completely dismiss the idea, though). 
Way back when I was in the Navy, I used to have a lot of male friends. I just liked talking to guys about certain subjects better than women. The males were just friends- completely platonic .But there were so many rumors about those men and me that I never knew what to do. That is why I don't believe Mary M. and Jesus were married. If Jesus was married, it would have been to Martha's sister Mary (Lazarus' 2 sisters). But I don't think He was married (I am not going to completely dismiss the idea, though).
Why her?(Just curious, I don't know anything about martha's sister
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Why her?(Just curious, I don't know anything about martha's sister
The writer of the Gospel of John shows Jesus being very close to Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. Almost like really close personal friends and not just followers (although they were followers). And Mary sits by Jesus feet to hear His teachings (while Martha complains that she is stuck doing all the work.)
So, I just figure that if Jesus did have a wife, it would be that Mary.
The writer of the Gospel of John shows Jesus being very close to Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. Almost like really close personal friends and not just followers (although they were followers). And Mary sits by Jesus feet to hear His teachings (while Martha complains that she is stuck doing all the work.)
So, I just figure that if Jesus did have a wife, it would be that Mary.
okay, thanks for the explanation.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
Aren't there a few facts that can merit a belief that Christ may have been married to Mary Magdelene? One is that they were very close; two when the translation of the Bible was being done, Mary was not a whore in which was originally proclaimed from the original translation; three Mary after the crucifiction and resurection of Christ went to (I believe) Egypt in which she had a small female child with her; and four, it is commanded by God for people to be fruitful and multiply (if Christ did not have a family, wouldn't this be disobeyance?).
There were several documents including the doctrine of Mary Magdelene that were hidden for fear of retribution against a church that felt they needed to shelter people from God in order to remain the ruling figure in people's lives. This is highly unfortunate due to the fact that the truth such a matter as this may never be known. The book by Dan Brown is a good one to read, but remember it is fiction.
There were several documents including the doctrine of Mary Magdelene that were hidden for fear of retribution against a church that felt they needed to shelter people from God in order to remain the ruling figure in people's lives. This is highly unfortunate due to the fact that the truth such a matter as this may never be known. The book by Dan Brown is a good one to read, but remember it is fiction.
gnostic
The Lost One
ChristineES said:And Mary sits by Jesus feet to hear His teachings (while Martha complains that she is stuck doing all the work.)
MoonWoman said:Why her?(Just curious, I don't know anything about martha's sister)
ChristineES said:The writer of the Gospel of John shows Jesus being very close to Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. Almost like really close personal friends and not just followers (although they were followers). And Mary sits by Jesus feet to hear His teachings (while Martha complains that she is stuck doing all the work.)
So, I just figure that if Jesus did have a wife, it would be that Mary.
I believed that there are 2 Marys here.
The Mary, who is sister of Martha and Lazarus, is Mary of Bethany, which Christine is referring to. Hence, she is of Judaea origin. It is this Mary who ignore household chore to sit in front of Jesus, seemingly infatuated with Jesus. And it is this Mary who in brother's home, washed Jesus' feet in expensive perfume that had outraged Judas Iscariot (John 12:1-8; this is precisely after Jesus brought Lazarus back to life in chapter 11, but before Jesus entered Judaea). Strangely Matthew and Mark tell them differently. Matthew and Mark say it is in Simon's house, with bad skin, and both don't mention the woman's name at all and all the disciples were angry, not just Judas. So which version do you believe to be true?
Mary Magdalene is never associated with Martha and Lazarus. And Mary Magdalene was one of the many other women who followed Jesus from Galilee. It is not known precisely where Magdala really is, but it is more likely in Galilee than in Judaea.
Matthew 27:55-56 said:
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Way back when I was in the Navy, I used to have a lot of male friends. I just liked talking to guys about certain subjects better than women. The males were just friends- completely platonic .But there were so many rumors about those men and me that I never knew what to do. That is why I don't believe Mary M. and Jesus were married. If Jesus was married, it would have been to Martha's sister Mary (Lazarus' 2 sisters). But I don't think He was married (I am not going to completely dismiss the idea, though).
Mary Magdalene the repentant fallen woman who anointed Jesus with expensive ointment valued at three hundred pieces of silver (See Mark 14: 5.) about six days before the crucifixion of Jesus, in the home of Simon the pharisee with the terminal skin disease in the town of Bethany, Is one and the same as Mary, the sister of 'Lazarus' which name means 'Terminal,' (See 'Lazar,' in the 'Universal Dictionary.)who anointed Jesus six days before his crucifixation, in the town of Bethany, which town today is called 'Lazarieh,' with Perfume valued at three hundred pieces of silver, (See John 12: 5.)
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If people can believe that the famous prostitute who sits on seven mountains from out of whose burning body will come the daughter (Rev 18: 4, "Come out of her my people, do not share in her sin etc.) and heiress to her mothers matrilineal throne as the bride to her brother who is the son of Christ the indwelling Father, then why would they not believe that Jesus may have taken the famous reformed prostitute as his wife and that she may have given birth to a daughter?
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gnostic
The Lost One
s-word said:
You're not as learned as you think you are with the bible, Christian or not.
I believed that you need to do more than just "believe" what you believe and do a lot more research yourself and then try to "understand" what you are researching.
s-word said:
I have a number of problems with your connection of the woman who was about to be stoned (John 8:1-11).
- The woman (adulteress) is never named.
- Mary Magdalene followed Jesus from Galilee (Matthew 27:55-56) because Jesus exorcise 7 demons from her (Luke 8:2).
Luke 8:2 said:
(Other women who are said to be possessed by demons were Joanna and Susanna.)
And in the gospel of Mark (16:9):
Where is the adulteress' name? And why do you link her to Mary Magdalene? Where's the connection? Twice Mary Magdalene is named as the one who had 7 demons, not the one who had committed adultery.And in the gospel of Mark (16:9):
.Mark 16:9 said:
And the reason why I don't believe in Mary Magdalene is the same as Mary of Bethany (sister of Martha and Lazarus) is found in the same verse that Mary Magdalene was one of the women who followed Jesus from Galilee, which I already pointed out in Matthew:
Matthew 27:55-56 said:
And in Mark:
Mark 15:40-41 said:
This indicated quite clearly that Mary Magdalene is from Galilee and separate from Mary of Bethany, which is near Jerusalem, Judaea.
Each time Mary of Bethany is mentioned, she is always referred to as being of Bethany, but Mary of Bethany is never mentioned as Magdalene.
Why do you think that is?
Because they are 2 distinct people, and their only connections are:
- both are women,
- both are follower of Jesus,
- and both shared the same name.
Because she is not their sister.
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Quote......gnostic------You're not as learned as you think you are with the bible, Christian or not.
I believed that you need to do more than just "believe" what you believe and do a lot more research yourself and then try to "understand" what you are researching.
I had no intention of making another comment in this thread, but as you persist in attacking my integrity, you force me to defend myself.
Quote......gnostic----I have a number of problems with your connection of the woman who was about to be stoned (John 1-11).
I’ve got a problem trying to find any reference to any woman in John 1: 11.
Quote.....gnostic---- The woman (adulteress) is never named. Mary Magdalene followed Jesus from Galilee (Matthew 27:55-56) because Jesus exorcise 7 demons from her (Luke 8:2).
The woman was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive and not an adulterous women in the true sense of the word, you must justify in your own mind, why Jesus would entrust his mother to the care of his young disciple John who he had surnamed ‘Son of Thunder,’ when she had a husband by the name Cleopas and four strapping sons, namely Joseph, James, Simon and Jude who was also called Thomas the twin, Lebbaeus and Thaddeus. And yes, Mary the sister of Lazarus=Simon the Leper was called ‘Magdalene’ and her brother knew her to be a fallen woman, and allowed her to simply walk, unchallenged, into the room where he was entertaining his most important guests, namely Jesus and his disciples, where, according to Luke 7: 37, she stood behind Jesus by his feet with an alabaster jar of perfume crying and wetting his feet with her tears. Then she dried his feet with her hair, kissed them, and poured the perfume on them. John 11: 2, in reference to Mary the sister of Lazarus=Simon the Leper, it is said, “This Mary was the one who poured the perfume on the Lord’s feet and wiped them with her hair, it was her brother Lazarus who was sick.” And we know from the fact that he died from his sickness that Lazarus=Simon was suffering from a terminal disease. And nowhere does it say that Mary who was called Magdalene came from Galilee, but only that she, with the other women who ministered to the needs of Jesus and his disciples travelled with him through the towns and villages of Galilee.
Quote.....gnostic-------Where is the adulteress' name? And why do you link her to Mary Magdalene? Where's the connection? Twice Mary Magdalene is named as the one who had 7 demons, not the one who had committed adultery.
I hope that you don’t read the bible with the same lack of understanding as you have with my previous comment, for nowhere do I link Mary who was called the Magdalene to the woman who was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive, because you can rest assured, if that woman who the hypocrites said was caught in the very act of adultery had actually been caught in the cot having sex with another man other than the one to who she was currently married, those hypocritical religious authorities who thought nothing of stoning the innocent Stephen to death, would have been obligated by the law of Moses, regardless of what Jesus said to them, to stone that woman to death. Therefore she was not an adulterous woman according to the Law of Moses and the hypocrites could do nothing to her, but she was living in sin according to the new teaching of her first born son Jesus, while she remained with her current husband Cleopas, and it was for this reason that Jesus entrusted his mother to the care of John who was surnamed ‘Mark.’ The spirit reveals that Joseph from Arimathea who carried the bloodied body of Jesus and laid it in his own family tomb which had never been used, is the same Joseph who cradled the baby Jesus in his arms as the family made their escape from Nazareth in Galilee to Egypt, and who, on his return wanted to live in Judea but because the cruel and depraved son of Herod was ruling there, he returned to Nazareth.
We know that Jesus, with his disciples and his Mother and Mary who was called the Magdalene had come down from Galilee to Jerusalem for the Passover and were staying in Bethany at the house of Simon=Lazarus, where Mary anointed the feet of Jesus six days before the Passover and that the next day, which was five days before the Passover, Jesus entered Jerusalem on the colt of an ***, to the cheers and acclamation of the people and that he went into the temple and looked around at everything, but as it was late in the day, they returned to Bethany where they were guests in the house of Lazarus, see Mark 11: 11. The next day, which was the fourth day before the Passover, and according to Mark 11: 12-15, they returned to Jerusalem where Jesus would overturn the tables of the dishonest money changers, but on the way, he cursed a fig tree for having no fruit even though it was not the season for figs.
Mark 11: 19, when evening came, Jesus and his disciples left the city, presumably returning to the two women by the name Mary who were in the house of Lazareth=Simon; verse 20, Early next morning on the third day before Passover they again returned to Jerusalem and on the way the disciples were amazed to see that the fig tree was dead all the way down to its roots, all that day, Jesus taught in the temple, and although the Jewish authorities wanted to arrest him they were afraid of the crowd that he always attracted to himself, it was on this day that he spoke of the destruction of the temple. Having returned to the house of Simon in Bethany which is situated on the Mount of Olives about two miles from Jerusalem, it was now two days before the Passover and Jesus was sitting there on the Mount of Olives across from the temple etc.
If as you say, Mary who was called Magdalene and Mary the sister of Lazarus are two different women, this would mean that there were three women by the name Mary staying at the house of Simon the Leper=Lazarus with the terminal disease. Do you not find it strange that this Mary who is the sister of Lazarus with the terminal disease, and who so dearly loved Jesus, sitting at his feet and hanging on his every word; this Mary who poured expensive ointment valued at around three hundred silver coins onto the feet of Jesus and wiped them with her hair, did not stand by the cross of Jesus, nor watch as he was buried in the unused Family tomb of Joseph, or go to cover his body with spices on the day after the Sabbath, but according to Matthew, there were only two women by the name Mary at the cross, the burial, and the empty tomb and they were Mary who was called Magdalene and the other Mary, who in Luke 24: 10, is revealed to be Mary the mother of James the son of Alpheaus=Cleopas and James is the brother of Jesus, see Galatians 1:19. I could write more, but why bother?
I believed that you need to do more than just "believe" what you believe and do a lot more research yourself and then try to "understand" what you are researching.
I had no intention of making another comment in this thread, but as you persist in attacking my integrity, you force me to defend myself.
Quote......gnostic----I have a number of problems with your connection of the woman who was about to be stoned (John 1-11).
I’ve got a problem trying to find any reference to any woman in John 1: 11.
Quote.....gnostic---- The woman (adulteress) is never named. Mary Magdalene followed Jesus from Galilee (Matthew 27:55-56) because Jesus exorcise 7 demons from her (Luke 8:2).
The woman was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive and not an adulterous women in the true sense of the word, you must justify in your own mind, why Jesus would entrust his mother to the care of his young disciple John who he had surnamed ‘Son of Thunder,’ when she had a husband by the name Cleopas and four strapping sons, namely Joseph, James, Simon and Jude who was also called Thomas the twin, Lebbaeus and Thaddeus. And yes, Mary the sister of Lazarus=Simon the Leper was called ‘Magdalene’ and her brother knew her to be a fallen woman, and allowed her to simply walk, unchallenged, into the room where he was entertaining his most important guests, namely Jesus and his disciples, where, according to Luke 7: 37, she stood behind Jesus by his feet with an alabaster jar of perfume crying and wetting his feet with her tears. Then she dried his feet with her hair, kissed them, and poured the perfume on them. John 11: 2, in reference to Mary the sister of Lazarus=Simon the Leper, it is said, “This Mary was the one who poured the perfume on the Lord’s feet and wiped them with her hair, it was her brother Lazarus who was sick.” And we know from the fact that he died from his sickness that Lazarus=Simon was suffering from a terminal disease. And nowhere does it say that Mary who was called Magdalene came from Galilee, but only that she, with the other women who ministered to the needs of Jesus and his disciples travelled with him through the towns and villages of Galilee.
Quote.....gnostic-------Where is the adulteress' name? And why do you link her to Mary Magdalene? Where's the connection? Twice Mary Magdalene is named as the one who had 7 demons, not the one who had committed adultery.
I hope that you don’t read the bible with the same lack of understanding as you have with my previous comment, for nowhere do I link Mary who was called the Magdalene to the woman who was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive, because you can rest assured, if that woman who the hypocrites said was caught in the very act of adultery had actually been caught in the cot having sex with another man other than the one to who she was currently married, those hypocritical religious authorities who thought nothing of stoning the innocent Stephen to death, would have been obligated by the law of Moses, regardless of what Jesus said to them, to stone that woman to death. Therefore she was not an adulterous woman according to the Law of Moses and the hypocrites could do nothing to her, but she was living in sin according to the new teaching of her first born son Jesus, while she remained with her current husband Cleopas, and it was for this reason that Jesus entrusted his mother to the care of John who was surnamed ‘Mark.’ The spirit reveals that Joseph from Arimathea who carried the bloodied body of Jesus and laid it in his own family tomb which had never been used, is the same Joseph who cradled the baby Jesus in his arms as the family made their escape from Nazareth in Galilee to Egypt, and who, on his return wanted to live in Judea but because the cruel and depraved son of Herod was ruling there, he returned to Nazareth.
We know that Jesus, with his disciples and his Mother and Mary who was called the Magdalene had come down from Galilee to Jerusalem for the Passover and were staying in Bethany at the house of Simon=Lazarus, where Mary anointed the feet of Jesus six days before the Passover and that the next day, which was five days before the Passover, Jesus entered Jerusalem on the colt of an ***, to the cheers and acclamation of the people and that he went into the temple and looked around at everything, but as it was late in the day, they returned to Bethany where they were guests in the house of Lazarus, see Mark 11: 11. The next day, which was the fourth day before the Passover, and according to Mark 11: 12-15, they returned to Jerusalem where Jesus would overturn the tables of the dishonest money changers, but on the way, he cursed a fig tree for having no fruit even though it was not the season for figs.
Mark 11: 19, when evening came, Jesus and his disciples left the city, presumably returning to the two women by the name Mary who were in the house of Lazareth=Simon; verse 20, Early next morning on the third day before Passover they again returned to Jerusalem and on the way the disciples were amazed to see that the fig tree was dead all the way down to its roots, all that day, Jesus taught in the temple, and although the Jewish authorities wanted to arrest him they were afraid of the crowd that he always attracted to himself, it was on this day that he spoke of the destruction of the temple. Having returned to the house of Simon in Bethany which is situated on the Mount of Olives about two miles from Jerusalem, it was now two days before the Passover and Jesus was sitting there on the Mount of Olives across from the temple etc.
If as you say, Mary who was called Magdalene and Mary the sister of Lazarus are two different women, this would mean that there were three women by the name Mary staying at the house of Simon the Leper=Lazarus with the terminal disease. Do you not find it strange that this Mary who is the sister of Lazarus with the terminal disease, and who so dearly loved Jesus, sitting at his feet and hanging on his every word; this Mary who poured expensive ointment valued at around three hundred silver coins onto the feet of Jesus and wiped them with her hair, did not stand by the cross of Jesus, nor watch as he was buried in the unused Family tomb of Joseph, or go to cover his body with spices on the day after the Sabbath, but according to Matthew, there were only two women by the name Mary at the cross, the burial, and the empty tomb and they were Mary who was called Magdalene and the other Mary, who in Luke 24: 10, is revealed to be Mary the mother of James the son of Alpheaus=Cleopas and James is the brother of Jesus, see Galatians 1:19. I could write more, but why bother?
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gnostic
The Lost One
s-word said:
I have no problem with you as a person and with you being a believer.
My real problem is your "bible scholarship".
Your scholarship sounds as confusing and suspect as those Early Christian Fathers, who comment and interpret the gospels.
s-word said:
And what does this have to do with Mary Magdalene?
Useless piece of information and totally irrelevant.
It's not about Mary, mother of Jesus and his half-brothers. And I have absolute no interest in them. The topic is about Mary Magdalene, and your connection with her to the adulteress.
Nor am I interested in anyway with the apostle John, Alpheaus or Cleopas, or your equally inept attempt of connection between Alpheaus and Cleopas. Because I think you are wrong about that too.
I think there is enough confusion already with Mary Magdalene = Mary of Bethany = adulteress = Mary wife of Cleopas, and more clumsy attempt to connect all the dots into one woman.
s-word said:
Then you are indeed blind.
I've already quoted twice from the gospels that connect Mary Magdalene to Galilee. That you would force me for the 3rd time quote from the gospels, showed how inept your scholarship really are.
Here are the quotes again:
Matthew 27:55-56 said:
Mark 15:40-41 said:
Do you not see?
Do you not see the bold blue words?
Just what parts of the above quotes, don't you get?
Mary Magdalene was one of the women who followed Jesus from Galilee.
There are no explicit mentions of the name "Mary Magdalene" with the town of Bethany. PERIOD!
It never say that Mary Magdelene comes from Bethany. Hence Mary of Bethany is totally different woman to the one called Magdalene.
Showed me a single verse that "explicitly" say Mary Magdalene comes from Bethany.
There are no explicit mentions of the name "Mary Magdalene" as a sister of Martha and Lazarus. PERIOD!
Everytime, Mary sister of Martha and Lazarus being mentioned, she is always called "of Bethany". But never Magdalene with Martha and Lazarus.
Showed me a single verse that "explicitly" says "Mary Magdalene" has a brother and sister, named Lazarus and Martha.
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As to the adulteress woman:
In John 8:1-11, no name was ever given to this adulteress woman. Mary Magdalene came to Judaea with Jesus from Galilee, as I have already pointed out (Matthew 27:55-56 and Mark 15:40-41).
I had also quoted to you, from 2 different verse and 2 different gospels, that Mary Magdalene was possessed by 7 demons.
Luke 8:2 said:
Mark 16:9 said:
How do you confuse adultery with a woman being healed by ridding 7 demons, s-word?
I may not believe in the gospels and I may not be a Christian, s-word, but at least I know that when it come to reading old literature, like the gospels, you have to be cautious of jumping into any lame conclusions that are not there.
want to be hindu
Member
I find many of the Early Christian Fathers writings very well thought out. Just to give one example Origen he had a great mind.
Originally Posted by s-word
I had no intention of making another comment in this thread, but as you persist in attacking my integrity, you force me to defend myself.
Quote....gnostic-----I have no problem with you as a person and with you being a believer.
You do not know me as a person.
Quote....gnostic--------My real problem is your "bible scholarship". Your scholarship sounds as confusing and suspect as those Early Christian Fathers, who comment and interpret the gospels.
Quote:
Originally Posted by s-word
The woman was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive and not an adulterous women in the true sense of the word, you must justify in your own mind, why Jesus would entrust his mother to the care of his young disciple John who he had surnamed ‘Son of Thunder,’ when she had a husband by the name Cleopas and four strapping sons, namely Joseph, James, Simon and Jude who was also called Thomas the twin, Lebbaeus and Thaddeus.
Quote….gnostic----And what does this have to do with Mary Magdalene?It's not about Mary, mother of Jesus and his half-brothers. And I have absolute no interest in them. The topic is about Mary Magdalene, and your connection with her to the adulteress.
Righto, let’s go over this one more time and perhaps it may Just sink into that head of yours, if you go back and read my two previous comments in this thread, you will see that nowhere do I connect Mary Magdalene with the woman who the Jewish authorities accused as an adulterous woman according to the new teaching of Jesus, who said that if a person remarries another while their original spouse is still alive, they are committing adultery. The woman, who I connect to this Divorcee, is Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger of the three. Now, it cannot be made any plainer than that, so please stop, cease and desist from constantly saying that I have connected Mary Magdalene with the woman that was accused by the priests as being an adulterous woman according to the new teaching of Jesus. Better still, ask one of your friends (That is of course, if there is such a horse in existence) to read my previous comments for you, who I believe is the only person who could possibly read my comments and somehow come to the conclusion that I have connected Mary Magdalene to the divorcee whom the priest tried to use in their attempt to trap Jesus according to his own words and then accuse him to the people.
Quote……agnostic------Nor am I interested in anyway with the apostle John, Alpheaus or Cleopas, or your equally inept attempt of connection between Alpheaus and Cleopas. Because I think you are wrong about that too.
You may not be interested in what John has to say, but I do, or do you believe that it is only you who has the right to quote certain scripture in your attempt to substantiate your beliefs? If Luke 7: 36-40, says that a woman who lived in Bethany of Judea, (Not Galilee) who was a fallen woman who, in the house of Simon with the dreaded skin disease (Leprosy) in Bethany of Judea, knelt down at the feet of Jesus and after wetting his feet with her tears, she then poured the expensive perfume over them, which woman was forgiven of her past sins by Jesus thereby expelling the demons who had previously ruled her life; and John 11: 2-4, in reference to that same event says, “This Mary (Who lived in Bethany of Judea) was the one who poured the perfume on the Lord’s feet and wiped them with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.” And as he died from that sickness, I Believe that we can saftely assume that it was a terminal disease that he suffered from. This is enough to convince the greater majority of scholars (Excluding yourself), that the fallen woman, who according to Luke, lived in the town of Bethany and who anointed Jesus in the house of Simon with the dreaded, (and at that time,) terminal skin disease (Leprosy), is one and the same as the Mary of Bethany whose brother ‘Lazarus’ had died of his terminal disease, and who anointed the feet of Jesus with expensive perfume valued at 300 pieces of silver and then wiped his feet with her hair, and she is Mary of Bethany who was called Magdalene. The two chapters that you quote, Matthew 27: 55-56, and Mark 15: 40-41, do not prove that Mary who is called Magdalene, had lived in Galilee, but only that she, with the other women who ministered to the needs of Jesus and his disciples travelled with him through the towns and villages of Galilee, and that when Jesus left Galilee to come down to Jerusalem, they followed him, in fact this is exactly what Mark says in 15: 41, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger, and Joseph, who had followed Jesus while he was in Galilee and had helped him, with many other women, had come to Jerusalem. Even blind Freddy can see that nowhere does Mark 15, indicate in any way that Mary who was called Magdalene had actually lived in Galilee.
Quote… Gnostic-----I've already quoted twice from the gospels that connect Mary Magdalene to Galilee. That you would force me for the 3rd time quote from the gospels, showed how inept your scholarship really are.
And again you reveal your ineptitude when dealing with scripture, for again I must repeat, that nowhere do the scriptures that you have quoted, prove anything other than the fact that the women and the disciples who came from all over the Land of Israel and who followed Jesus throughout the towns and villages of Galilee, came down to Jerusalem to celebrate the festival of Passover.
Quote….. Gnostic-------I think there is enough confusion already with Mary Magdalene = Mary of Bethany = adulteress = Mary wife of Cleopas, and more clumsy attempt to connect all the dots into one woman.
Again you show your ignorance, or downright mental laziness, for nowhere have I ever equated Mary Magdalene with Mary the wife of Cleopas who is the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger of the three, and the step mother of Thomas and Simon, the two sons of Cleopas to another woman other than Mary.
Quote……Gnostic----How do you confuse adultery with a woman being healed by ridding 7 demons, s-word?
I don’t, it is you who are confused by believing that somehow, somewhere, I have ever equated the woman who was accused of adultery with Mary Magdalene, but then of course, while leading her sinful life while under the control of the seven demons, she may have had sex with some married men, but I would be only surmising.
Quote……agnostic------Nor am I interested in anyway with the apostle John, Alpheaus or Cleopas, or your equally inept attempt of connection between Alpheaus and Cleopas. Because I think you are wrong about that too.
How inept are you? Do you ever check to see if whatever has been said to you has any thread of truth to it, or in your ignorance to the facts, do you simply attack anything that you don’t understand? If you would care to look in the Universal subject guide within Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible and turn to ‘Cleopas’ which name means ‘of a renowned father’ you will see that it states that Cleopas is the husband of Mary and is also called Alpheaus, or perhaps if you were not so inept, you might have GOOGLED up “Cleopas = Alphaeus,” for there you would have found ample evidence of Cleopas’ connection with Alphaeus. If you wish to continue to wallow in your ignorance, then you would be well advised to break off all communication with me, otherwise you might begin to learn something.
I had no intention of making another comment in this thread, but as you persist in attacking my integrity, you force me to defend myself.
Quote....gnostic-----I have no problem with you as a person and with you being a believer.
You do not know me as a person.
Quote....gnostic--------My real problem is your "bible scholarship". Your scholarship sounds as confusing and suspect as those Early Christian Fathers, who comment and interpret the gospels.
Quote:
Originally Posted by s-word
The woman was a divorcee who had married another man while her original spouse was still alive and not an adulterous women in the true sense of the word, you must justify in your own mind, why Jesus would entrust his mother to the care of his young disciple John who he had surnamed ‘Son of Thunder,’ when she had a husband by the name Cleopas and four strapping sons, namely Joseph, James, Simon and Jude who was also called Thomas the twin, Lebbaeus and Thaddeus.
Quote….gnostic----And what does this have to do with Mary Magdalene?It's not about Mary, mother of Jesus and his half-brothers. And I have absolute no interest in them. The topic is about Mary Magdalene, and your connection with her to the adulteress.
Righto, let’s go over this one more time and perhaps it may Just sink into that head of yours, if you go back and read my two previous comments in this thread, you will see that nowhere do I connect Mary Magdalene with the woman who the Jewish authorities accused as an adulterous woman according to the new teaching of Jesus, who said that if a person remarries another while their original spouse is still alive, they are committing adultery. The woman, who I connect to this Divorcee, is Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger of the three. Now, it cannot be made any plainer than that, so please stop, cease and desist from constantly saying that I have connected Mary Magdalene with the woman that was accused by the priests as being an adulterous woman according to the new teaching of Jesus. Better still, ask one of your friends (That is of course, if there is such a horse in existence) to read my previous comments for you, who I believe is the only person who could possibly read my comments and somehow come to the conclusion that I have connected Mary Magdalene to the divorcee whom the priest tried to use in their attempt to trap Jesus according to his own words and then accuse him to the people.
Quote……agnostic------Nor am I interested in anyway with the apostle John, Alpheaus or Cleopas, or your equally inept attempt of connection between Alpheaus and Cleopas. Because I think you are wrong about that too.
You may not be interested in what John has to say, but I do, or do you believe that it is only you who has the right to quote certain scripture in your attempt to substantiate your beliefs? If Luke 7: 36-40, says that a woman who lived in Bethany of Judea, (Not Galilee) who was a fallen woman who, in the house of Simon with the dreaded skin disease (Leprosy) in Bethany of Judea, knelt down at the feet of Jesus and after wetting his feet with her tears, she then poured the expensive perfume over them, which woman was forgiven of her past sins by Jesus thereby expelling the demons who had previously ruled her life; and John 11: 2-4, in reference to that same event says, “This Mary (Who lived in Bethany of Judea) was the one who poured the perfume on the Lord’s feet and wiped them with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.” And as he died from that sickness, I Believe that we can saftely assume that it was a terminal disease that he suffered from. This is enough to convince the greater majority of scholars (Excluding yourself), that the fallen woman, who according to Luke, lived in the town of Bethany and who anointed Jesus in the house of Simon with the dreaded, (and at that time,) terminal skin disease (Leprosy), is one and the same as the Mary of Bethany whose brother ‘Lazarus’ had died of his terminal disease, and who anointed the feet of Jesus with expensive perfume valued at 300 pieces of silver and then wiped his feet with her hair, and she is Mary of Bethany who was called Magdalene. The two chapters that you quote, Matthew 27: 55-56, and Mark 15: 40-41, do not prove that Mary who is called Magdalene, had lived in Galilee, but only that she, with the other women who ministered to the needs of Jesus and his disciples travelled with him through the towns and villages of Galilee, and that when Jesus left Galilee to come down to Jerusalem, they followed him, in fact this is exactly what Mark says in 15: 41, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger, and Joseph, who had followed Jesus while he was in Galilee and had helped him, with many other women, had come to Jerusalem. Even blind Freddy can see that nowhere does Mark 15, indicate in any way that Mary who was called Magdalene had actually lived in Galilee.
Quote… Gnostic-----I've already quoted twice from the gospels that connect Mary Magdalene to Galilee. That you would force me for the 3rd time quote from the gospels, showed how inept your scholarship really are.
And again you reveal your ineptitude when dealing with scripture, for again I must repeat, that nowhere do the scriptures that you have quoted, prove anything other than the fact that the women and the disciples who came from all over the Land of Israel and who followed Jesus throughout the towns and villages of Galilee, came down to Jerusalem to celebrate the festival of Passover.
Quote….. Gnostic-------I think there is enough confusion already with Mary Magdalene = Mary of Bethany = adulteress = Mary wife of Cleopas, and more clumsy attempt to connect all the dots into one woman.
Again you show your ignorance, or downright mental laziness, for nowhere have I ever equated Mary Magdalene with Mary the wife of Cleopas who is the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger of the three, and the step mother of Thomas and Simon, the two sons of Cleopas to another woman other than Mary.
Quote……Gnostic----How do you confuse adultery with a woman being healed by ridding 7 demons, s-word?
I don’t, it is you who are confused by believing that somehow, somewhere, I have ever equated the woman who was accused of adultery with Mary Magdalene, but then of course, while leading her sinful life while under the control of the seven demons, she may have had sex with some married men, but I would be only surmising.
Quote……agnostic------Nor am I interested in anyway with the apostle John, Alpheaus or Cleopas, or your equally inept attempt of connection between Alpheaus and Cleopas. Because I think you are wrong about that too.
How inept are you? Do you ever check to see if whatever has been said to you has any thread of truth to it, or in your ignorance to the facts, do you simply attack anything that you don’t understand? If you would care to look in the Universal subject guide within Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible and turn to ‘Cleopas’ which name means ‘of a renowned father’ you will see that it states that Cleopas is the husband of Mary and is also called Alpheaus, or perhaps if you were not so inept, you might have GOOGLED up “Cleopas = Alphaeus,” for there you would have found ample evidence of Cleopas’ connection with Alphaeus. If you wish to continue to wallow in your ignorance, then you would be well advised to break off all communication with me, otherwise you might begin to learn something.
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Origen did have a mind beyond his time didn't he? Although I have written this in another thread somewhere, I believe that it is worth repeating. The book of Enoch was held in great reverence by many of the church fathers, including Irenaeus, Origen and Tertullian, even Jerome who with other Christian authorities such as Hilary and Augustine, were to later ban the book, which was thought to have been lost for Millennia.
Origen, who was well versed in the writings of Enoch, was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.
The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day’ that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity, and such are the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest which rest, we can still enter as revealed in the Bible.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
How similar are the teahings of Buddah to the teachings which are found in the Bible? This is another comment that I had made in another thread,
God is knowable to all peoples of all race, religions and cultures, because what can be known about God is plain them, for God himself made it plain, ever since God created the world from an invisible egg which burst forth into a living universal body in which there developed a controlling mind or a Supreme Personality of Godhead of whom Mankind, Lord of Creatures is the prototype to he who is Lord of all within that body including all spiritual powers and principalities except for the immanent creator 'The Logos,' who is the divine animating principle which pervades the entire universal body. His invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature are clearly seen, for they are perceived in the creation itself, which is the visible manifestation of the invisible ever growing mind that is God, who is today as he was yesterday and will be into all eternity, for he is the only constant, in that he is constantly changing. As the wonderful Omar Khayyam has put it, "He is the Master whose secret presence through creations veins, running quick silver like eludes your pains; taking on all shapes from moon to cow, which shapes change and perish all, but he (The only true constant) remains." Nice to hear from you 'want to be hindu.'
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