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Book of Mormon

FFH

Veteran Member
DRS said:
There are many gods in the universe.
True

DRS said:
The god of this planet is an exalted man of flesh and bones who progressed to godhood just like all the other gods in the universe.
True

DRS said:
God has at least one wife (perhaps more) with whom he has procreated spirit children in the spirit world.
We don't have any information concerning God's wife or wives or how he created our spirits, which gave our individual "intelligences" form, which have always existed.

We were never created, we have always existed. God merely gave our individual "intelligences" a spirit form, then later we were created physically, when we were born into this world.

See: The Book of Abraham
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
everything here are just appendages to the gospel of Jesus Christ... ether from the book of mormon directly or from revelation on question in the book of mormon and the holy bible. one of the key teachings of the book of mormon is the need for further instruction from our father in heaven. the core of the book of mormon for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving the gift of the holy ghost, and enduring to the end; this is the gospel of jesus christ no more no less. everything else you have mentioned as and always will be appendages to basic truths about heaven and earth. what you have hear are questions that have been asked of God for explanation from the bible and book of mormon. if anything you need to find out if the book of mormon is true. some churches have told people not to honestly prey about the book of mormon... gee i wonder why... i have seen this many times on a mission i was on for the LDS church... the Book of Mormons job is manly is to testify of Jesus Christ and restore basic truths back to the earth that have been lost or changed. and some of it going through it again or peoples opinions NOT doctrine
 

drs

Active Member
everything here are just appendages to the gospel of Jesus Christ... ether from the book of mormon directly or from revelation on question in the book of mormon and the holy bible. one of the key teachings of the book of mormon is the need for further instruction from our father in heaven. the core of the book of mormon for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving the gift of the holy ghost, and enduring to the end; this is the gospel of jesus christ no more no less. everything else you have mentioned as and always will be appendages to basic truths about heaven and earth. what you have hear are questions that have been asked of God for explanation from the bible and book of mormon. if anything you need to find out if the book of mormon is true. some churches have told people not to honestly prey about the book of mormon... gee i wonder why... i have seen this many times on a mission i was on for the LDS church... the Book of Mormons job is manly is to testify of Jesus Christ and restore basic truths back to the earth that have been lost or changed. and some of it going through it again or peoples opinions NOT doctrine



this is what I am getting at I read most of the book of Mormon and I didn't find any of these teachings in it I have read all the bible and I know these teachings are not in it, so I have been trying to get a good idea of what scripture they came from.
 

drs

Active Member
True

True

We don't have any information concerning God's wife or wives or how he created our spirits, which gave our individual "intelligences" form, which have always existed.

We were never created, we have always existed. God merely gave our individual "intelligences" a spirit form, then later we were created physically, when we were born into this world.

See: The Book of Abraham



what about genisis that would say otherwise
 

FFH

Veteran Member
this is what I am getting at I read most of the book of Mormon and I didn't find any of these teachings in it I have read all the bible and I know these teachings are not in it, so I have been trying to get a good idea of what scripture they came from.
Joseph Smith revealed that God was once a man in this sermon, which was one of the first LDS conferences, which was NICKNAMED the King Follett sermon.

I think you will find most of what you're looking for in that link.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
what about genisis that would say otherwise
The Book of Genesis (King James version) is incomplete and has errors.

Here is the restored version of the first 13 chapters (which contains most of the mssing verses and errors in the King James) of Genesis: Book of Moses
 

Future

New Member
what about genisis that would say otherwise

that is not biblical and certanly against the truth in the bible don't you think?

To answer both of your statements.

The Latter-day Saints believe in more then just the Bible, so you are going to have to measure what you say against the rest of what they believe in to actually get anywhere with them. :yes: And, before you do that, please educate yourself a bit more so that you actually have a platform to stand on when debating them.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
that is not biblical and certanly against the truth in the bible don't you think?
The Bible makes references to the existence of other gods...

Josh. 22: 22
22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the Lord, (save us not this day,)

Ps. 135: 5
5 For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.


We know there are at least two gods, God the Father and God the Son, who is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
 
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cardero

Citizen Mod
To answer both of your statements.

The Latter-day Saints believe in more then just the Bible, so you are going to have to measure what you say against the rest of what they believe in to actually get anywhere with them. :yes: And, before you do that, please educate yourself a bit more so that you actually have a platform to stand on when debating them.
that is not biblical and certanly against the truth in the bible don't you think?

The first thing drs has to do is evidence that the Bible is the truth rather than just trying to convine others that since he believes the Bible to be true, that it must be the truth.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
that is not biblical and certanly against the truth in the bible don't you think?

On the contrary, the Bible is clear that Jesus is God in the flesh. It is less clear that God visited Abaham in the flesh before judging Sodom and Gomorrah but it certainly appears that Abraham is talking to God. Who else would have the authority to destroy cities. He could have been talking about Krishna who claimed to be God in the flesh. Krishna also said that He had incarnated many times.
 
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madhatter85

Transhumanist
this is what I am getting at I read most of the book of Mormon and I didn't find any of these teachings in it I have read all the bible and I know these teachings are not in it, so I have been trying to get a good idea of what scripture they came from.
the teachings you quoted in your OP are not from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints. Those are most likely from someoe who is anti-mormon. IF you want to know the Truth about what we believe, please visit mormon.org or lds.org
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
that is not biblical and certanly against the truth in the bible don't you think?

no it is definitely not.

Genesis 3: 5-22

Specifically the first and last verses:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
22 ¶ And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

What do we really learn from these two statements? in the first Lucifer is tempting eve with truths and then one bold faced lie. And in the second God is speaking of "US." The definition of "us" is inclusive of the one talking and those around him/her. God is speaking to who in this scentence? and who is "Us?" most definitely it is the Gods. Since we are made in God's image and since we learn that this is how you gain knowlege equivalent to that of a God, then that means that God himself must have gone through the same process to attain his knowlege.

We are only Subject to our father in heaven, we do not worship any other gods because they are not our divine parent(s).
 

Dream Angel

Well-Known Member
Have you by any chance been watching the video on youtube called "Mormonism revealed - the real mormon theology" as what you have just described is exactly what is in it and almost in the exact same order - dont believe everything it says!
 

drs

Active Member
The Bible makes references to the existence of other gods...

Josh. 22: 22
22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the Lord, (save us not this day,)

Ps. 135: 5
5 For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.


We know there are at least two gods, God the Father and God the Son, who is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.





Deuteronomy 4




To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD Himself is God; there is none other besides Him. 36 Out of heaven He let you hear His voice, that He might instruct you; on earth He showed you His great fire, and you heard His words out of the midst of the fire. 37 And because He loved your fathers, therefore He chose their descendants after them; and He brought you out of Egypt with His Presence, with His mighty power, 38 driving out from before you nations greater and mightier than you, to bring you in, to give you their land as an inheritance, as it is this day. 39 Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. 40 You shall therefore keep His statutes and His commandments which I command you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which the LORD your God is giving you for all time.”







over and over God says there are no other God's besides me


here is the distiction in the first verse the LORD says there is no other God(capital G) besides me.


Only the true God anywhere in scripture has capital G to make the distiction against false gods (lower case g)


example look at verse 20 they pray to a god that can not save



Isaiah 45

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’
8 “ Rain down, you heavens, from above,
And let the skies pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation,
And let righteousness spring up together.
I, the LORD, have created it.
9 “ Woe to him who strives with his Maker!
Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth!
Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’
Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’?
10 Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you begetting?’
Or to the woman, ‘What have you brought forth?’”
11 Thus says the LORD,
The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:

“ Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons;
And concerning the work of My hands, you command Me.
12 I have made the earth,
And created man on it.
I—My hands—stretched out the heavens,
And all their host I have commanded.
13 I have raised him up in righteousness,
And I will direct all his ways;
He shall build My city
And let My exiles go free,
Not for price nor reward,”
Says the LORD of hosts.
The LORD, the Only Savior


14 Thus says the LORD:


“ The labor of Egypt and merchandise of Cush
And of the Sabeans, men of stature,
Shall come over to you, and they shall be yours;
They shall walk behind you,
They shall come over in chains;
And they shall bow down to you.
They will make supplication to you, saying, ‘Surely God is in you,
And there is no other;
There isno other God.’”
15 Truly You are God, who hide Yourself,
O God of Israel, the Savior!
16 They shall be ashamed
And also disgraced, all of them;
They shall go in confusion together,
Who are makers of idols.
17 But Israel shall be saved by the LORD
With an everlasting salvation;
You shall not be ashamed or disgraced
Forever and ever.


18 For thus says the LORD,
Who created the heavens,
Who is God,
Who formed the earth and made it,
Who has established it,
Who did not create it in vain,
Who formed it to be inhabited:

“ I am the LORD, and there is no other.
19 I have not spoken in secret,
In a dark place of the earth;
I did not say to the seed of Jacob,

‘ Seek Me in vain’;
I, the LORD, speak righteousness,
I declare things that are right.
20 “ Assemble yourselves and come;
Draw near together,
You who have escaped from the nations.
They have no knowledge,
Who carry the wood of their carved image,
And pray to a god that cannot save.
21 Tell and bring forth your case;
Yes, let them take counsel together.
Who has declared this from ancient time?
Who has told it from that time?
Have not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.
22 “ Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
 
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FFH

Veteran Member
There is no other God, besides God, yet there are other gods, working under the direction of God the Father and God the Son.

We are gods, children of God, when we do His will.

Ps. 82: 6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


John 10: 34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law (see Psalms 82:6), I said, Ye are gods?
 
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drs

Active Member
There is no other God, besides God, yet there are other gods, working under the direction of God the Father and God the Son.

We are gods, children of God, when we do His will.

Ps. 82: 6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


John 10: 34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law (see Psalms 82:6), I said, Ye are gods?




I think we have a misunderstanding ,What I am trying to say by the scripture is that only GOD LORD JESUS CHRIST is sovereign over all things in the universe he has made time he controls time he was here before time he was not one of us then became GOD he was always GOD will always be GOD and he has no equal, his will governs and sustains everthing.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
I think we have a misunderstanding ,What I am trying to say by the scripture is that only GOD LORD JESUS CHRIST is sovereign over all things in the universe he has made time he controls time he was here before time he was not one of us then became GOD he was always GOD will always be GOD and he has no equal, his will governs and sustains everthing.
Right, Christ has always been God, is God, and will always be GOD, but we can become gods (joint heirs with Christ) under his direction, guidance and authority.

Christ wants us to have what he has and enjoys.

We can become joint heirs with Christ, in his kingdom.

Rom. 8: 17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
 
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drs

Active Member
Right, Christ has always been God, is God, and will always be GOD, but we can become gods (joint heirs with Christ) under his direction, guidance and authority.

Christ wants us to have what he has and enjoys.

We can become joint heirs with Christ, in his kingdom.

Rom. 8: 17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.



I gave my descripton of the soverign GOD

what would you define as a god you become?
 
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