hiddenlodge
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I got an idea why not give her back an e-Y-e so that she can judge you all assuming she is blind
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What Is Justice?
- Thread starter Storm
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I suggest that justice is more akin to mercy than vengeance.
:cover: That is as far from just as justice could be.
But maybe that's just me.
I said as my first response that justice was making things right, but on reflection that would more appropriately be 'justing. You see something wrong, you 'just it. You make it right. Justice, then, would be that state of rightness against which we compare a thing to know that it is "wrong".
"Making things right" would be correcting the social defect that led an individual to commit an offense. This is not consistent with the usage of the term I usually hear. Generally you could substitute vengeance or retribution anytime you hear the term justice with no essential change of meaning.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
Justice is the integration of unity and diversity.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
doppelgänger;1332927 said:
Elaborate.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Perhaps justice isn't lynching Saddam Hussein but removing him from society where he can't do any harm.
Generally, the most merciful solution is the most just. A course of action that is based on vengeance or "the eye for an eye" philosophy is unjust and merely breeds more hatred. That's my view anyway...
I think that's what Doppleganger meant....
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But Dopp also suggested in another thread that values and the notions of good and evil were largely meaningless, thus wouldn't it follow that the notions of vengeance and mercy are also largely meaningless? If we shouldn't get upset if someone rapes a child, then why should we get upset if someone were to smash their balls with a sledgehammer in retaliation?
DarkSun
:eltiT
Quote....... Storm------Do you not believe there's a difference between vengeance and justice?
I can forgive the person who has wronged me, and yet still demand that they be held accountable for those actions in order that Justice is seen to be done, which may deter that person from reoffending, and perhaps discourage others from committing the same offence, this is not seeking vengeance.
Let me put forward an analogy, of which the reality will be revealed in a moment: The Anti-bodies are cells within your body that attack and destroy any foreign agent that would harm the body in which you the mind=spirit is developing. ‘The aids virus,’ which is a foreign agent, does not attack the body, they simply lock themselves onto your anti-bodies, which then, can no longer identify the foreign invaders, that will eventually destroy the body that is the womb in which you, a potential spiritual Child of God, are developing. It is not the Aids virus that destroys, and yet if we cannot rid your body of those viruses, it will die.
Love, mercy and compassion, are wonderful attributes of the human nature, but if not balanced with swift and righteous justice, they are the most insidious of all evils, which slither unnoticed into our society, clothed in the deceptive garment of righteousness.
Love, mercy and compassion, somehow seem to be the fashion
With the righteous and the goodies of today’s society
They lobby the authorities, although they are minorities
Demanding--- that our killers, be shown partially
Like Aids, they wouldn’t hurt you, they’re just a virus that's within you
Which prevents your anti-bodies from accomplishing their ends
They simply let the cells that kill you, multiply until they fill you
And destroy the very body on which our lives depend
So, to cure the greater body, we must get rid of those who lobby
For Justice in this world to slowly fade
The price of crime must be extracted, old penalties re-enacted
Life for life, and compensation, must be paid
Will our children of the future, praise this age, who, in its stupor
Encouraged cancerous cells to multiply
Or will we hear the warning of our unborn child who’s calling
“Physician, heal thy self, or else I die.” ............... By S-word
Psalms 82: 5-6, "How ignorant you are! How stupid! You are completely corrupt, and justice has disappeared from the world. 'You are gods I said; all of you are sons of the most high. etc."
I can forgive the person who has wronged me, and yet still demand that they be held accountable for those actions in order that Justice is seen to be done, which may deter that person from reoffending, and perhaps discourage others from committing the same offence, this is not seeking vengeance.
Let me put forward an analogy, of which the reality will be revealed in a moment: The Anti-bodies are cells within your body that attack and destroy any foreign agent that would harm the body in which you the mind=spirit is developing. ‘The aids virus,’ which is a foreign agent, does not attack the body, they simply lock themselves onto your anti-bodies, which then, can no longer identify the foreign invaders, that will eventually destroy the body that is the womb in which you, a potential spiritual Child of God, are developing. It is not the Aids virus that destroys, and yet if we cannot rid your body of those viruses, it will die.
Love, mercy and compassion, are wonderful attributes of the human nature, but if not balanced with swift and righteous justice, they are the most insidious of all evils, which slither unnoticed into our society, clothed in the deceptive garment of righteousness.
Love, mercy and compassion, somehow seem to be the fashion
With the righteous and the goodies of today’s society
They lobby the authorities, although they are minorities
Demanding--- that our killers, be shown partially
Like Aids, they wouldn’t hurt you, they’re just a virus that's within you
Which prevents your anti-bodies from accomplishing their ends
They simply let the cells that kill you, multiply until they fill you
And destroy the very body on which our lives depend
So, to cure the greater body, we must get rid of those who lobby
For Justice in this world to slowly fade
The price of crime must be extracted, old penalties re-enacted
Life for life, and compensation, must be paid
Will our children of the future, praise this age, who, in its stupor
Encouraged cancerous cells to multiply
Or will we hear the warning of our unborn child who’s calling
“Physician, heal thy self, or else I die.” ............... By S-word
Psalms 82: 5-6, "How ignorant you are! How stupid! You are completely corrupt, and justice has disappeared from the world. 'You are gods I said; all of you are sons of the most high. etc."
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I believe that our justice system today has failed our young people who receive no more than a slap on the wrist for the crimes that they commit, and in the main, end up simply treating the law with utter contempt.
She heard the footsteps on the stairway and the loud knock on the door
But the old grey headed woman lay there huddled on the floor
Cowering in the corner, she didn’t make a sound
Her lips were badly swollen and blood was trickling down
From a gash above her eyebrow, inside her legs were badly bruised
Another knock and then a call, but still she didn’t move
Yea! It was them alright sergeant, said the old dear on the porch
I saw em boltin down the road when I came out with me torch
I might be old, but me eyes don’t fail, yet I thought that pair were still in jail
They robbed poor old Molly and stole all her cash
Then threatened to rape her if she rang the police
And here it is, not more’n a week, and they’ve let the mongrels back out on the street
SERGEANT:
Yea! Well you must have disturbed them; it appears that they’ve gone
And seems like Molly’s asleep, so there’s no damage done
But when you see her tomorrow, don’t give her a scare
No, don’t even tell her, the mongrels were here...........By S-word
She heard the footsteps on the stairway and the loud knock on the door
But the old grey headed woman lay there huddled on the floor
Cowering in the corner, she didn’t make a sound
Her lips were badly swollen and blood was trickling down
From a gash above her eyebrow, inside her legs were badly bruised
Another knock and then a call, but still she didn’t move
Yea! It was them alright sergeant, said the old dear on the porch
I saw em boltin down the road when I came out with me torch
I might be old, but me eyes don’t fail, yet I thought that pair were still in jail
They robbed poor old Molly and stole all her cash
Then threatened to rape her if she rang the police
And here it is, not more’n a week, and they’ve let the mongrels back out on the street
SERGEANT:
Yea! Well you must have disturbed them; it appears that they’ve gone
And seems like Molly’s asleep, so there’s no damage done
But when you see her tomorrow, don’t give her a scare
No, don’t even tell her, the mongrels were here...........By S-word
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What an idiotic statement! Of course the execution of the person who has murdered your entire family will not undo that which had been done, but you can rest assured that the person who knowingly and deliberately took the life of your family, and who had forfieted their own right to live, aint never ganna murder no one elses family, which they could and more than likely would, if it was up to those who don't want a person to be held accountable for their actions.
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There was a young man who raped and murdered the little daughter of his nieghbour, whose mutilated body, he stuffed into a rubbish bag, which he put in the boot of his car in order to dispose of it, but because of the concentration of people who were gathered at his neighbours house co-ordinating the seach for the child, the smell of her decomposing body in the hot tropics, led to his apprehension.
Twenty years later he was paroled by the authorities, which should, in my oppinion, be held accountable for his later actions, because within three months of his release, he had raped and murdered another little child of one of his neighbours, and stuffed her mutilated body in a rubbish bag, and this time was able to dispose of her body in the surrounding bush land before it was noticed that she was missing.
It didn't take long for the authorities who had released him into an unsuspecting society, to realise who had commited the heinous crime. Let us hope that by the time that they secretly release him again,'and they will,' he will be too old to physically perform the act that drives him to search out and murder little children. O, and by the way, when he was being tried for the second murder, I wrote a letter to the editor of one of the local newspapers concerning the first murder, it could not be published because the Jurors may have found out, and might have been influenced to bring in a verdict of guilty, which they did anyway.
Twenty years later he was paroled by the authorities, which should, in my oppinion, be held accountable for his later actions, because within three months of his release, he had raped and murdered another little child of one of his neighbours, and stuffed her mutilated body in a rubbish bag, and this time was able to dispose of her body in the surrounding bush land before it was noticed that she was missing.
It didn't take long for the authorities who had released him into an unsuspecting society, to realise who had commited the heinous crime. Let us hope that by the time that they secretly release him again,'and they will,' he will be too old to physically perform the act that drives him to search out and murder little children. O, and by the way, when he was being tried for the second murder, I wrote a letter to the editor of one of the local newspapers concerning the first murder, it could not be published because the Jurors may have found out, and might have been influenced to bring in a verdict of guilty, which they did anyway.
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DarkSun
:eltiT
But through the murder of that said criminal we in turn stoop to his level. Murder is murder, no matter what the justification might be. And besides, it could easily be avoided through imprisonment. He is a threat to society and needs to be removed from it. Sure, the economic cost of doing so is not desirable, but perhaps that's the price we have to pay.
Hate in turn for hate only generates more hatred, feeding the crimson-black cycle. By killing the man who murdered your family, you may feel better yourself, but what of the said man's own family? What if he had a wife and children? A mother or father? What about siblings? Through his "execution" they will have lost someone dear to them, no matter how ashamed of his actions they may be. His death will plant the seeds of more sorrow for years to come; as if what he'd done wasn't bad enough.
By our very nature, humanity is imperfect. As such, we have absolutely no right to pass on righteous judgement, to decide who lives and who dies as if we were the architects of creation. Such a thing is not justice, it's bigotry for the sake of vengeance. Who are you to say that this man with family of his own has no right to live? What made you so perfect?