greenman, here is a good example for you. science knows without doubt that dark matter exists, but they have not so far to my knowledge been able to see it. as a matter of fact a scientist once said that perhaps when they see and learn the secrets of dark matter, maybe then they will come to know who and what god is. i believe that one came from paul davies who IS a scientist. people believe for many reasons and people disbelieve for many reasons. i guess the better question would be for you to explain why you don't believe so then we would be able to address this question in a way in which you could understand where we are comming from. for myself, i believe there is a god simply because too many strange things have happened in my life for me to ignore the existance of god.
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Prove Allah exists
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Alright guess what happened to me today? There was an earthquake and i was late for school. A boat was formed by the earth quake so i went on it and I got to school on time.
Yea,. u would say that thats impossible. Now..How is it that this whole universe was created from nothing? This is where the belief in a creator comes in place. God
Yea,. u would say that thats impossible. Now..How is it that this whole universe was created from nothing? This is where the belief in a creator comes in place. God
Why would you need so many Gods if God is already all mighty? If there is more than one God, it certainly buries the fact that God is all mighty.
Or think it this way: Is there any country in this world that has more than one president? No! Because if there is such more than one ruler, there will be conflicts upon them. One wants to rule the country this way and the other one wants it that way.
Or think it this way: Is there any country in this world that has more than one president? No! Because if there is such more than one ruler, there will be conflicts upon them. One wants to rule the country this way and the other one wants it that way.
The Black Whirlwind
Well-Known Member
the force proved itslef to me, thats all the proof i need.
Allah - i can not remember if it is, "is and is not" or "yes and no"
but the point is the same.
Science tells us there is a mathmatical object called the wave function that is made up of every quantum particle in all of existence. It exists against the negate of anything, absolute nothing. Your original question was prove Allah exists if you google wave function or read a lot of Hawking if you synthesise what has been said in every source together you find that the very existance of everything is particles and waves the grandest of which collects all of the particles and waves into one big wave function and if everything is included all that is outside of that main wave function is, well, nothing.
So Allah exists for sure.
"God"...?
Keep debating!
but the point is the same.
Science tells us there is a mathmatical object called the wave function that is made up of every quantum particle in all of existence. It exists against the negate of anything, absolute nothing. Your original question was prove Allah exists if you google wave function or read a lot of Hawking if you synthesise what has been said in every source together you find that the very existance of everything is particles and waves the grandest of which collects all of the particles and waves into one big wave function and if everything is included all that is outside of that main wave function is, well, nothing.
So Allah exists for sure.
"God"...?
Keep debating!
No! Infact, that is a very logical argument!Green Man said:
If you don't believe in God, then what if in the end God really exist? I win and you lose everything in your life. But if you do believe in God, and then it turns out that God does not exist, ok, the disbeliever wins, but you DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE! Now, which position do you prefer to take, to believe in God or to disbelieve God? Isn't it more safer to believe in God?
That's my phylosophic point of view about your question.
meogi
Well-Known Member
Pascal's PoV
What if the christian god is the one 'true' god though? Then you've wasted your entire life as well. I still prefer to take the 'convince me your god exists' attitude. Leaves me free of all the doctrine and BS, at least until I'm convinced of it. I like the freedom of non-restraint.
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
So pagans should try convincing you of a Christian god before trying to convince you of their own?meogi said:Pascal's PoV
What if the christian god is the one 'true' god though? Then you've wasted your entire life as well. I still prefer to take the 'convince me your god exists' attitude. Leaves me free of all the doctrine and BS, at least until I'm convinced of it. I like the freedom of non-restraint.
croak
Trickster
Look at this:
You may have heard of the platypus. If you have, than you will agree that it is very strange. It has a bill like a duck, lays eggs, and swims. But it has fur and it feeds its young milk (I think). It also has poisonous hind claws, which no mammals or birds have, as far as I know. When the animal was shown to scientists, they couldn't believe that this was a real animal. They must have thought someone took a duck's bill and stuck it to a mammal's body. But then they saw them living in the wild. So they were convinced it was 100% real.
How does this help? Well, if I show someone religious books, miracles, and such, you may not believe me. But if you actually saw Allah (swt), you would believe me, right?
On the Day of Judgement, everyone will have the chance to see Him, and obviously would believe in Him. After all, He is right in front of you, and you're dead, right? So how's this possible? Well, it is. Okay, I think I'm beginning to talk uncomprehensibly, sooo, I hope that you understood my point.
You may have heard of the platypus. If you have, than you will agree that it is very strange. It has a bill like a duck, lays eggs, and swims. But it has fur and it feeds its young milk (I think). It also has poisonous hind claws, which no mammals or birds have, as far as I know. When the animal was shown to scientists, they couldn't believe that this was a real animal. They must have thought someone took a duck's bill and stuck it to a mammal's body. But then they saw them living in the wild. So they were convinced it was 100% real.
How does this help? Well, if I show someone religious books, miracles, and such, you may not believe me. But if you actually saw Allah (swt), you would believe me, right?
On the Day of Judgement, everyone will have the chance to see Him, and obviously would believe in Him. After all, He is right in front of you, and you're dead, right? So how's this possible? Well, it is. Okay, I think I'm beginning to talk uncomprehensibly, sooo, I hope that you understood my point.
Its so funny how you all divert and give Repetitive remarks about god existing. And yes u can see ur brain. Chop top ur head off and pull an eye out and look at it. God u can't see or prove he exists. There is no analogy or whateva to prove you cant prove him because he is not like that. He is a Myth in a way but based on something impossible. But I do find it odd how i cannot think of an alternate to a GOd idea. Not the fact that he's the creator but When u say God he could be Spirit, Energy, lol Spirit Energy, Magic or anyhting and i can't think of anything that would work around that idea. I can't really expalin it. Maybe an object that cant be perceiced through a sense that humans have. Can't be touched. Has no mass. No smell. No Nothing. Maybe we dont have the senses for it. or maybe it don't exist... i dunno i just felt like posting...
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
Peace Meogi,meogi said:What if the christian god is the one 'true' god though? Then you've wasted your entire life as well.
The Christian God and the Jews God is the same one who is the God of Islam. We Muslims do believe that our God who is one and only one God who has no associate is the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims. God who revealed the Torah to Prophet Moses, peace be upon him, and God who revealed the Bible to Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, is the same God who revealed the Quran to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. There is one God who is the Lord of the whole universe.
Peace
The Christian God is not the same God as the god of Islam!Peace said:
Check this post for some of my reasons for saying this http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=132880#post132880
Sorry steve, but they're the same. The difference is, that your God has a son: Jesus, which then christians claim to be a God as well. Our God is ONE.Steve said:
And quoting your post at the link:
"The God of the Bible is not only Just, Holy and Righteous but also full of compassion and Mercy and Love. It is because of his love that he gave mankind a way to avoid punishment. He didnt have to give us the option, we didnt deserve what Christ did for us, yet he did it anyway.
Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
If this is true dont you owe it to God to look into it with an open heart?"
Are you REALLY sure that Jesus came to earth to die for YOU? Im araid not. According to Bible (and you can check it), in Matthew 15:24, it says "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". It is clearly stated that Jesus was not sent for you! Do you belong to the house of Israel? I guess not. So sorry dude, you're still gonna get punished, because Jesus only came to save the house of Israel, not you, or the chinese, or the japanese, or the americans, or the europeans or the whatever.
So in pointing out that they are the same you use a difference between them as your argument?Firdaus Mardhatillah said:
The Christian God became flesh and dwelt among us.
If your god didnt come to earth in the form of a man and the Christan God did then arnt they different?
If we are cleansed of our guilt thanks to our debt to the law being paid and can therefore appear rightous befor a Holy God and your god dosnt require that then how can they be called the same God?
Not only are you using Matthew 15:24 in a way contrary to the rest of the new testament but you really should have read just 4 more verses when her request is granted because of her faith! Matthew 15:28 - Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.Firdaus Mardhatillah said:
Oh and also this might be of interest to you.
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile - Romans 1:16
I was not pointing that Jesus is the same God as Islam's God, but the Father in christian is the same God as our God: Allah.
So be it that way: the woman's request is granted, then why did Jesus said that he was sent only for the house of Israel if he didn't came but only for the house of Israel?
Oh yeah this really interested me:
"I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile - Romans 1:16"
Now I would like to ask you, can a holy book be said to be holy if there are contradictions between the verses inside it? From Matthew 15:24 and Romans 1:16, you can see that one time Jesus said that he was sent only for the house of Israel and the other time Jesus said that he was sent for everyone who believes. Now which one is true? One of them has to be true, cause two contradicted statements cannot be both right.
Oh, one more thing: Jesus (God) was sent...how on earth can God be sent? Prophets were sent, but God? No way! If Jesus was sent, than Jesus is not God because there is something more powerful than Jesus that could send Jesus. So, Jesus is a prophet, not God.
So be it that way: the woman's request is granted, then why did Jesus said that he was sent only for the house of Israel if he didn't came but only for the house of Israel?
Oh yeah this really interested me:
"I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile - Romans 1:16"
Now I would like to ask you, can a holy book be said to be holy if there are contradictions between the verses inside it? From Matthew 15:24 and Romans 1:16, you can see that one time Jesus said that he was sent only for the house of Israel and the other time Jesus said that he was sent for everyone who believes. Now which one is true? One of them has to be true, cause two contradicted statements cannot be both right.
Oh, one more thing: Jesus (God) was sent...how on earth can God be sent? Prophets were sent, but God? No way! If Jesus was sent, than Jesus is not God because there is something more powerful than Jesus that could send Jesus. So, Jesus is a prophet, not God.