My daughter's teacher is getting married...

Codebar -

You are entitled to your opinion (as we all are), but to openly attack a member like this is uncalled for, and indefensible.

Your intolerance does not entitle you to committ such attacks, even if you believe that your intolerance makes you appear to be smarter than you are. "Figment of your imagination", indeed.

I'd say that "it's been nice knowing you", but that would be insincere on my part.

codebar said:

Righteousness does not tolerate complacent, ignorant and cowardly individuals. When that individual claims the status of a man, it is even more revolting. By your action, non-action, deeds, and misdeeds you are the expression of your true religion.

As for this idea that there should be no moral rules in relationship to sexuality and sexual activity, I will remind you that sexually transmitted disease is not a figment of my imagination. I have witnessed the devestation that these backward lifestyles have caused to those who thought they were immune to the outcome of their unwholesome behavior.

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Is an atheist going to have to sit you on his knee and teach you your own bible? "Judge not less ye be judged" Matthew 7:1 and "how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when the beam is in your own eye?" Matthew 7:4 "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22.39 "Do to others what you would have them do to you" Matthew 7:12
You attack a fellow brother in faith because he doesn't wallow in the same blind, frothing hatred and because he doesn't share in your petty desire to meddle in other people's business and to trample their rights. Yours is not a very Christian attitude.

This is not my bible. I adhere to a higher standard. Your christ is not my Christ. Your God is not my God. Your way is not my way.

codebar said:

Your way is not my way.

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Amen.

codebar said:

This is not my bible. I adhere to a higher standard. Your christ is not my Christ. Your God is not my God. Your way is not my way.

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Who gives a damn about your way, especially when it's used as a pathetic excuse to attack others and as pathetic justification for petty, infantile hatred? Why should anyone hold your views as being even remotely relevant? You've offered nothing of any depth or substance, only emotional theatrics that betray your mental shortcomings. I'm sure your own personal little bible, standards, christ and way are all things you make up as you go along based on your reactionary whims. It's a shame people like you even have children and then poison their minds.

Father Heathen said:

Disneyman has far more class, dignity and integrity than you could ever hope to have.

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Judge not lest you be judged remember. Or is it ok to judge if the ruling is favourable.

And voice of Treason/Reason here has insulted me and my religion numerous times...i should have pushed the red button myself, but then...im not a third-grader. If codebar is banned...then where does that leave VOR and the rest of the monkeys?

I just think that when kids dont get their way...they like to call daddy.

As far as codebar goes...i think what you are doing is telling Disney man here how he should think. Ist that what the teachers problem was with the third-graders? But disney man is not a third-grader is he?

Perhaps if we remember that we are not thirdgraders ourselves, all we really have to do...is skip the post ...and read the next one. Like most kids will do with this one.....LOL!!!:angel2:

Whhhooo weee...it getting hot in here....so take of all your posts....

Heneni said:

Judge not lest you be judged remember. Or is it ok to judge if the ruling is favourable.

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But I'm not the one professing to be a Christian, now am I? I would however expect people to actually abide by the teachings of the religions they claim to follow, especially if they're belching and bellowing threats, insults and accusations at others for being "unrighteous".

Heneni said:

Judge not lest you be judged remember. Or is it ok to judge if the ruling is favourable.

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You don't seem to grasp that the scripture does not apply to Father Heathen, as he is an atheist, and does not embrace your Bible.

Heneni said:

And voice of Treason/Reason here has insulted me and my religion numerous times...i should have pushed the red button myself, but then...im not a third-grader. If codebar is banned...then where does that leave VOR and the rest of the monkeys?

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Oh, must I suffer the slings and arrows ...
Not that I expect you to care, but just for the record, it would be VERY rare for me to report a post that makes a personal attack on me (as you have done above). I do, however, take great umbrage at a personal attack such as calling someone a coward, simply because they do not agree with your position. If a person argues from a position of ignorance, I have no problem with someone pointing that out. In this instance, codebar is accusing Disney of being an "ignorant coward", when Disney has clearly demonstrated his understanding of the situation and the basis for his argument. Therefore, he is (clearly) not ignorant of the salient points of the issue, and he is obviously not a coward simply because he does not agree with codebar. Therefore, codebar is not addressing a shortcoming in Disney's position based on his knowledge - he is simply making a straightforward, unwarranted ad hominem attack on Disney.

Heneni said:

I just think that when kids dont get their way...they like to call daddy.

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Disney did not report the post - I did. The "Report Post" button is there for a reason. It is to alert the moderators to an abuse, and it allows them to keep the discourse on a civil level (to the degree that that is possible).

I probably brush up against the limit as much as anyone - and I get called on it by the moderators as they see fit. I have no problem with that, because the reprimand is usually earned on my part.

Then again, when I'm engaged in a debate with someone that bases their position on ignorance, I don't mind pointing that out. When that happens, I don't think I've ever been reprimanded by the mods.

Father Heathen said:

But I'm not the one professing to be a Christian, now am I? I would however expect people to actually abide by the teachings of the religions they claim to follow, especially if they're belching and bellowing threats, insults and accusations at others for being "unrighteous".

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You see father heathen....it isnt really ok with me to call my god the imaginary fairy god mother, nor is it ok to call me the pink unicorn dressed in a batman suit freak just because i believe in him. I understand that people have a hard time with the concept of god and with me.

But when you and codebar extended this (which isnt really a debate forum is it)...to the parenting abilities of either disney man or codebar, i think both of you stepped over the line.

That has nothing to do with the code of honor in the bible...that has to do with basic human rights...to be treated with dignity.

We all here...flex our spiritual muscles our mental muscles and our social muscles...and we take a bit of flack here and there, but we keep it reasonably friendly. I dont think there is anything remotely friendly about what you said:

It's a shame people like you even have children and then poison their minds.

Its not about spiritualism, its not about comparing mental proficiency..its not about philosphy...its not about science....it about hate. That which you seem to think all religious people are right.

Im not participating in this thread any longer. Its has become troubled water. :sad4:

Heneni said:

Im not participating in this thread any longer. Its has become troubled water. :sad4:

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We'll try to soldier on without your keen insight.

Father Heathen said:

It's a shame people like you even have children and then poison their minds.

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I usually try to fry them up in a skillet before they form solid bones and grow hair, so I don't usually get the chance to poison their minds. Damn shame, too.

When I first read this post... it seemed to me... that Disneyman.... who claims adherance to a faith called...Mormon Baby... was attempting to brag about how he is a very Worldly Man in his belief system... and that he wanted others that were homosexuals to accept him.... as one of their own. I do not see this individual as being sturdy in any actual faith...for it is obvious that he simply wants to look as if he can get along with what (appears) to be the loudest voice. As far as love and hate are concerned, it really does have more to do with what one is comfortable around, or what one is comfortable with. I have found that morally weak individuals are extemely dangerous. Your dangerous governments are proof of this right now. Where are helpless innocent individuals to turn... when cowards are in charge of their health and safety. What you have allowed yourselves to conform to, are False Worldly Religions. Call them anything you want. This is what they are.

needle said:

My four children have been raised to properly understand that the rectum is a place for waste elimination only. It is not a sanitary place to engage in playful activity.

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...thus ensuring there are at least four people in the world who will be able to properly appreciate the artistic merits of Two Girls One Cup.

codebar said:

When I first read this post... it seemed to me... that Disneyman.... who claims adherance to a faith called...Mormon Baby... was attempting to brag about how he is a very Worldly Man in his belief system... and that he wanted others that were homosexuals to accept him.... as one of their own. I do not see this individual as being sturdy in any actual faith...for it is obvious that he simply wants to look as if he can get along with what (appears) to be the loudest voice. As far as love and hate are concerned, it really does have more to do with what one is comfortable around, or what one is comfortable with. I have found that morally weak individuals are extemely dangerous. Your dangerous governments are proof of this right now. Where are helpless innocent individuals to turn... when cowards are in charge of their health and safety. What you have allowed yourselves to conform to, are False Worldly Religions. Call them anything you want. This is what they are.

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Tolerance does NOT necessarily equate acceptance. I do strongly disagree with your beliefs, but I respect your right to believe as you do. Those truly secure in their faith have no reason to react in a hostile manner toward things that are neither their business nor concern and doesn't effect them in any way. If you think homosexuality is immoral, don't practice it. Simple enough, isn't it? Who are you to impose your beliefs upon others? And why this telling fixation and fascination with homosexuality? Aren't there also other sins to worry about, such as coveting oxes, eating shrimp and mixing fabrics?

I think codebar is the Colonel from American Beauty.

Father Heathen said:

It's a shame people like you even have children and then poison their minds.

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That is what you said...not me...and making fun of what you said..is your way of trying to make it go away. Please be more careful in the future to quote that which I say...as my own words.

Thank you.

Heneni

Heneni said:

That is what you said...not me...and making fun of what you said..is your way of trying to make it go away. Please be more careful in the future to quote that which I say...as my own words.

Thank you.

Heneni

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I meant what I said. The way they indoctrinate their children warps their minds and turns them into addled automatons. I honestly believe it does, and it disgusts me.

If you were quoting me, why wasn't it in quotations? I thought you were just trying to be clever and repeating me to imply the same to us godless sinners.

Father Heathen said:

Tolerance does NOT necessarily equate acceptance. I do strongly disagree with your beliefs, but I respect your right to believe as you do. Those truly secure in their faith have no reason to react in a hostile manner toward things that are neither their business nor concern and doesn't effect them in any way. If you think homosexuality is immoral, don't practice it. Simple enough, isn't it? Who are you to impose your beliefs upon others? And why this telling fixation and fascination with homosexuality? Aren't there also other sins to worry about, such as coveting oxes, eating shrimp and mixing fabrics?

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I agree with that whole post. I think it is wrong of people to interfere with homosexual's and their rights simply because they do not agree with homosexuality. We should all have equal rights regardless of what we do in our spare time.

codebar said:

I have found that morally weak individuals are extemely dangerous. Your dangerous governments are proof of this right now. Where are helpless innocent individuals to turn... when cowards are in charge of their health and safety. What you have allowed yourselves to conform to, are False Worldly Religions. Call them anything you want. This is what they are.

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Someone call the Westboro Baptist Church. I think their pastor might be missing.