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The Throne of Satan

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Satan is even more of a figment of your imagination than Almighty God is, for not only is he an offshoot of God, but is given a spectacular amount of power by many people....Whenever something bad occurs and people don't want to question the creator, it is Satan which caused the calamity, even though he had to have been created by God. Therefore, the evil is just as much a fault of God as it is Satans. Satan is just the scapegoat for people that cannot, for some odd reason, put the blame to God...Even though this God supposedly created him....It is funny how it all works.

I agree.

Even in Job which I mentioned above, Satan only afflicted the title's namesake because God pretty much said, "Okay, do what you want with him." It is said it was to test Job, but I don't think Job needed testing; he seemed to know in his heart already his devoutness to God. Therefore God pretty much OK'd the ruining of one of his most, if not his most, devout follower, in the process killing his family who as far as we know did nothing against God. (You could argue that his family most likely were great sinners and "deserved" punishment; however, we are never told this, therefore, I'm inclined to believe the family was killed needlessly) All because God wanted to show off to his doubting jester that He is always right.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
I agree.

Even in Job which I mentioned above, Satan only afflicted the title's namesake because God pretty much said, "Okay, do what you want with him." It is said it was to test Job, but I don't think Job needed testing; he seemed to know in his heart already his devoutness to God. Therefore God pretty much OK'd the ruining of one of his most, if not his most, devout follower, in the process killing his family who as far as we know did nothing against God. (You could argue that his family most likely were great sinners and "deserved" punishment; however, we are never told this, therefore, I'm inclined to believe the family was killed needlessly) All because God wanted to show off to his doubting jester that He is always right.

Many people i know find god repulsive. There are many things in the bible that are a bit shady. For example. Satan is cast out of heaven in genesis, and then in revelation he is cast out again. How did he get back there? And then in job he's walking around in heaven like its no big deal to go there. But then....the bible does not say satan was in heaven when he approached god. Angels walk on this earth all the time.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Many people i know find god repulsive. There are many things in the bible that are a bit shady. For example. Satan is cast out of heaven in genesis, and then in revelation he is cast out again. How did he get back there? And then in job he's walking around in heaven like its no big deal to go there. But then....the bible does not say satan was in heaven when he approached god. Angels walk on this earth all the time.

Really, not many Jews believe that and it's there book, last I looked.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Its my god the book talks about.

If you're a Christian then yes it does, but it was a Jewish God the book talk about before he was your God. And Satan is an Angel of there God, and did not fall according to them in genesis. Are you saying Jew are liars and don't know there own Holy book?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Many people i know find god repulsive. There are many things in the bible that are a bit shady. For example. Satan is cast out of heaven in genesis, and then in revelation he is cast out again. How did he get back there? And then in job he's walking around in heaven like its no big deal to go there. But then....the bible does not say satan was in heaven when he approached god. Angels walk on this earth all the time.

Except the Bible never really establishes one way or the other whether or not the serpent that tempted Eve was in fact the same Satan that appeared in Job or was even Satan to begin with!

I mean, there are three demons who play minor roles in the canonical Bible: Satan, who first appears in Job and later tempts Jesus; the Serpent, who tempted Eve in the Garden and became a snake; and Beezlebub, the King of Demons, who never actually makes an appearance himself but is simply mentioned after one of Jesus's exorcisms.

Hmm... the Unholy Trinity, maybe? (Devil, Beast, False Prophet.) :D (not likely; there are many other demons who aren't mentioned at all but are in other traditions, such as Azazel who was sexually drawn to human women and Lucifer who refused to bow down to mankind; or simply have but a passing reference made to, such as Lilith.)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
If you're a Christian then yes it does, but it was a Jewish God the book talk about before he was your God. And Satan is an Angel of there God, and did not fall according to them in genesis. Are you saying Jew are liars and don't know there own Holy book?

Not quite. In Genesis, it was simply the serpent, a snake-like creature, who tempts Eve; nowhere in the Old Testament does it ever reference the serpent again let alone establish that he was an angel in disguise. In fact, right there in chapter 3:1 of Genesis, it says that the serpent was one of God's creatures, implying that he was simply one of the animals in the Garden.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
If you're a Christian then yes it does, but it was a Jewish God the book talk about before he was your God. And Satan is an Angel of there God, and did not fall according to them in genesis. Are you saying Jew are liars and don't know there own Holy book?

God was my god even before genesis.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
What has any of this got to do with where the throne of satan i? I believe satan is real, and i believe he had a throne and im wondering where it is now, or whether he still has one.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
What has any of this got to do with where the throne of satan i? I believe satan is real, and i believe he had a throne and im wondering where it is now, or whether he still has one.

That Satan is an Angel of God and doesn't have any throne on earth that he rules from.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Rev2:13

I know where you live--where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city--where Satan lives.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
Rev2:13

I know where you live--where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city--where Satan lives.
I know the scripture, but I take it as a symbol, not as a throne but the dwelling place or "seat" where Satan was present....Since Pergamum was referred to as the official center of emperor worship.....Worship of the emperor instead of God would make it a dwelling place or "hang out" for Satan.....But of course we are all entitled to our own opinion.....But I still don't see a literal throne.....Especially since it is in the book of Revelation which is mostly symbolism........
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
I know the scripture, but I take it as a symbol, not as a throne but the dwelling place or "seat" where Satan was present....Since Pergamum was referred to as the official center of emperor worship.....Worship of the emperor instead of God would make it a dwelling place or "hang out" for Satan.....But of course we are all entitled to our own opinion.....But I still don't see a literal throne.....Especially since it is in the book of Revelation which is mostly symbolism........

Yeh...but thats boring isnt it? :beach: If satan walked around in the garden and he took authority from adam, why wouldnt he set himself up a throne? I dont expect satan to have sat on that throne looking like a gremlin. With a fork and really red computer eyes.Id expect him to look rather fabulous, glamourous and like an angel of light.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
Yeh...but thats boring isnt it? :beach: If satan walked around in the garden and he took authority from adam, why wouldnt he set himself up a throne? I dont expect satan to have sat on that throne looking like a gremlin. With a fork and really red computer eyes.Id expect him to look rather fabulous, glamourous and like an angel of light.
Yes, and if everyone only knew that everything that glitters isn't always gold.....Hiding one's true self, clever disguise right? ;)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Yes, and if everyone only knew that everything that glitters isn't always gold.....Hiding one's true self, clever disguise right? ;)

After all, for those who believe that Lucifer and Satan are the same being (which I don't), Lucifer was the most beautiful and grand of all the angels. It would follow through therefore that as Satan he would be able to recall his original splendor and appearance to fool people.
 

AK4

Well-Known Member
After all, for those who believe that Lucifer and Satan are the same being (which I don't), Lucifer was the most beautiful and grand of all the angels. It would follow through therefore that as Satan he would be able to recall his original splendor and appearance to fool people.


Lucifer is a hoax. He/It (if you can call it anything) is not satan. The word that they tried to make be lucifer should of been translated... are you ready for this..........................................................


HOWL.

Thats right howl. Check this out...

Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is "heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl. Here is Kittel’s Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem ill—"yah-lahl"—HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)

I don’t believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!

Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the naive Church? I assure you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!

And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is come down."

Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let’s try it back in Isa. 14 where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is translated in verse 31: Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city…" We would have, "Lucifer, O gate; cry, O city…" Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in Isa. 14:12.

(an excerpt from a good friend)
 
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blackout

Violet.
correct me if I'm wrong...
but according to the christian bible,
didn't Satan tempt Jesus with all the kingdoms of the world
if he would but bow down to him?

If the kingdom's of the world were not satan's to give,
how would this have been a temptation?
 
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