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Mohammed in the Bible

Mshbar

Mshbar

New Member
17 The LORD said to me (Moses): "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.
(Deuteronomy 18:17-19)

Who is this Prophet?

Is it Jesus or Mohammed? (peace be upon them)

(Like you) Moses and Mohammed Peace be upon them are very similar:
- Both had a normal Birth
- Married and had children
- Died and was buried
- Brought new Law
- Was accepted by their people

Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not have similarities with Moses (Peace be upon him) except they are Prophets, but Allah (God) supported Jesus with Great Miracles so the People of the Torah (Jews) believe that Jesus is a Prophet and is not just a man as they claim.

(From among their brothers) The Prophet could not be any Israelite prophet because the verse did not say " from them " but it says from among their brothers, the brothers of Israelites are the Arabs who r the descendants of Ishmael the son of Abraham and the brother of Isaac.


In holy Quran:

[3:47] She said (Mary), "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is.
[3:48] "He will teach him the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel."
[3:49] As a messenger to the Children of Israel (Jesus): "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by GOD's leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by GOD's leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers.


[5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

[4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
 
R

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Mshbar said:
17 The LORD said to me (Moses): "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.
(Deuteronomy 18:17-19)
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Gen 17:19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him

I'm sorry to disappoint you ,but according to the account of Abraham, the covenant was to Issac, which Mohammed did not come from, the seed that was to come that Genisis spoke of would crush the serpant was the seed of Jesse

Gen 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Understand who the serpant's seed is and who's the woman's seed is and you will see who it is that tramples underfoot the seed of satan,
Jesus defeated the works of satan
1Jo 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil
...why was Jesus manifested...to destroy satan

Col 2:15 Jesus.....And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Who is this Prophet?

Is it Jesus or Mohammed? (peace be upon them)
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Jhn 1:45Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him (Jesus), of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write,( Not Mohammed) Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Act 7:37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Hbr 1:2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


(Like you) Moses and Mohammed Peace be upon them are very similar:- Both had a normal Birth
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You obviously don';t know the Holy scriptures, Jesus' birth was anything but normal, he was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God ,not by sexual intercourse ,that is how the blood line was preserved blameless and he became the perfect sinless sacrifice for man
Luk 1:35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


- Married and had children
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I'm not sure what scriptures you have read ,but there is nothing declaring Jesus had sex and had children

- Died and was buried
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,,you forget one very important thing ,..he rose again and defeated death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

- Brought new Law
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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

- Was accepted by their people
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Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Isa 53:3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not have similarities with Moses (Peace be upon him) except they are Prophets, but Allah (God) supported Jesus with Great Miracles so the People of the Torah (Jews) believe that Jesus is a Prophet and is not just a man as they claim.
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He claimed to be God John 1 :1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Sorry, but what does being a prophet to having normal birth or being married and having children??????

I have come across such comparisons by Muslims before, and I still find it weak argument.

Being a prophet has to do more with calling, than any of the nonsenses that you have claim.

Not that I believe in prophethood. I just believe that the texts, whether it is holy or not, needs to be taken by proper perspective and in context with the original thoughts.

As to Deuteronomy 18, I preferred modern translation from Jewish Publication Society (JPS).
Deuteronomy 18:15 said:
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet from among your own people, like myself; him you shall heed.
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The King James' Version (KJV) can have multiple interpretations.

With JPS's version, my interpretation indicated that "your own people", would mean that the prophet would be "Israelite", like myself, ie. like Moses, who is an "Israelite", not like an "Ishmaelite".

Joshua was definitely in the assembly, and definitely "from among your own people, like myself".

Is Muhammad an Israelite? :no:

Is Moses an Ishmaelite or an Arab? :no:

The prophet doesn't also require introduce new law.

And then in the following passages:

Deuteronomy 18:16-19 said:
...This is just what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb, on the day of the Assembly, saying, "Let me not hear the voice of the LORD my God any longer or see these wondrous fire any more, lest I die." Whereupon the LORD said to me [Moses] they have don't well in speaking thus. I will raise up a prophet for them from among their own people, like yourself: I will put words in his mouth and he will speak to them all that I command him; and if he anybody fails to heed the words he speak in My name, I myself will call him to account..."
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Muslims who have tendency to quote from this chapter, totally ignored verses 16 and 17, which is the reason why I think Muslims take this entire part of chapter 18 (15-22) completely out of context.

Verse 18:18 is almost identical to that of verse 15, so I will not repeat myself.

Verses 16 and 17 speak of the those in the assembly of Israelites at Horeb, with no Ishmaelite in sight. God spoke of the Israelites, and that the prophet would be chosen "among their own people", hence Israelites.

Although "which prophet", chapter 18 is referring to is open to interpretation, I personally believe it is Joshua, Moses' successor. Because prior to verse 15, I am referring to verses 9-14, Moses was speaking of what the Israelites should do before they enter the land of Canaan.

So keeping it all in context, you have to read the whole passage, from verse 9 to 22. So which prophet actually brought the Israelites to Canaan, the land first promised to Abraham, and then Isaac and Jacob? "Joshua".

It is not Jesus. And certainly not Muhammad.

The main theme of the Torah, is not only about the Laws, but also about the Covenant to the 3 patriarchs, a promise of land. That would be fufilled by Moses and Joshua.

Did Muhammad returned the Israelites from exile to the "Promised Land"? :no:

The whole passage (9-22) referred to the Israelites (prior to that referred to only the Levites). And that

Other place that points to Joshua is found in the following passages:

Deuteronomy 34-9 said:
Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses laid his hands upon him; and the Israelites heeded him, doing as the Lord had commanded Moses.
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This actually fulfilled to what God had decreed back in the 2nd half of verse 18 (chapter 18).
Deuteronomy 18:18 said:
...I will put words in his mouth and he will speak to them all that I command him....
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Raising a new prophet, like Moses doesn't mean that the new prophet will have the same power, having the same presence, or performing the same deeds as that of Moses.

Joshua 1:5 said:
No one shall be able to resist you as long as you live. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will not fail you or forsake you.
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This seemed to have the same context in Deut. 18:19-22, where God say that the people needs to heed Joshua's words as they have with Moses. There more about God's instruction to Joshua (verses 6-9).

After capturing Jericho and crossing over the Jordan with the Ark of Covenant:
Joshua 4:14 said:
On that day the LORD exalted Joshua in the sight of all Israel, so that they revered him all his day as they had revered Moses.
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So God raised Joshua as a new prophet, like that of Moses, in place where he was among his fellow-Israelites. Like Moses, Joshua was leading the Israelites to the Promised Land, but Joshua is the one that "actually" and "finally" fulfilled God's covenant to Abraham.

What promises did Muhammad fulfilled to the Israelites? None. All Muhammad did was massacred a Jewish clan living in Arabia, because they refused to treaty of alliance in war.

So I find your link to Deuteronomy 18 with Muhammad, to be nothing more than exercise of forcing different meaning into small scrape of verse of what you call prophecy, with Islamic agenda and propaganda, hence you are taking the entire passage out of context.

I would suggest to you to read the entire passage of 18:9-22, and not just 18:15 and 18:18-19, to keep chapter 18 in proper context.
 
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herushura

herushura

Active Member
Moonhammed is Elijah

Jesus quoted in new testememts about the days of Elijah.

EL=GOD
JAH=MOON

Elijah=Moon god - Elijah=Alljah-Allah
 
herushura

herushura

Active Member
Also note that the Bible Quotes Christ - Prophet and Elijah as Seperate and not the same.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levities from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” So they said to him, “Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?” He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”
 
BruceDLimber

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Greetings!

In the Baha'i view Muhammad is indeed mentioned (and prophesied) in the Bible, in the Book of Revelation and not directly by name. Rather, we see Him as one of the "two witnesses" mentioned there.

Peace, :)

Bruce
 
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