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Can God change his mind?

Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
.lava said:
sins and crimes people committed thousand of years ago are the same of today's. technology is going further, our conditions are changing but human remains the same, same vices, same desires, same weaknesses...rules of God would never change. because God is justice. who changes rules of a game that's already started?


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But things already have been changed. We don't go around stoning people for minor transgressions now do we? Things changed from New to Old testaments. And god changed his mind about his decisions more than once in the bible.

For example: while it may be understood why "go forth and multiply" would be an order when there were very few people on the earth, and thus a man having several wives and many children was fine, and homosexuality admonished,... we simply don't need to multiply any further to populate the planet. It's quite populated now and the human species is thriving almost too well. That being the case don't you think perhaps some laws might be relaxed or rescinded since the reason for them no longer exists? Polygamy is already out. Birth control is widely used and perhaps the stance on it by different denominations should be abolished. And homosexuality no longer poses any threat to the reproducing human populace, really no need to be in a tissy over that one either.

If god can change his mind, and has before, then one must admit that it is possible that his mind has changed on some things currently.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
Draka said:
But things already have been changed. We don't go around stoning people for minor transgressions now do we?

Things changed from New to Old testaments. And god changed his mind about his decisions more than once in the bible.

For example: while it may be understood why "go forth and multiply" would be an order when there were very few people on the earth, and thus a man having several wives and many children was fine, and homosexuality admonished,... we simply don't need to multiply any further to populate the planet. It's quite populated now and the human species is thriving almost too well. That being the case don't you think perhaps some laws might be relaxed or rescinded since the reason for them no longer exists? Polygamy is already out. Birth control is widely used and perhaps the stance on it by different denominations should be abolished. And homosexuality no longer poses any threat to the reproducing human populace, really no need to be in a tissy over that one either.

If god can change his mind, and has before, then one must admit that it is possible that his mind has changed on some things currently.
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we certainly have different beliefs. according to my knowledge, God sent another holy book to correct wrong-doings. because books were changed by men. if they were not changed, there would not be a need for a new one. new book never revealed new rules. new books revealed the same rules without mistakes.

it is God who decides if you'd have a baby or not. God is able to give twins as it is able to give none.



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Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
.lava said:
it is God who decides if you'd have a baby or not. God is able to give twins as it is able to give none.
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Is this meant to be personal? Because I fail to see how the loss my daughter's twin has anything to do with this discussion.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
Draka said:
Is this meant to be personal? Because I fail to see how the loss my daughter's twin has anything to do with this discussion.
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no, i did not know about your daughter's twin. when did that happen? i am sorry for your loss and if i knew, i would not even use the word 'twin'. of course it has nothing to do with this thread. that is so strange and i don't know what to say. i did not know :(



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Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
.lava said:
no, i did not know about your daughter's twin. when did that happen? i am sorry for your loss and if i knew, i would not even use the word 'twin'. of course it has nothing to do with this thread. that is so strange and i don't know what to say. i did not know :(



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Don't worry about it. Like I said in my PM reply it was just a strange out of the blue comment that struck oddly close to home and I didn't know what to make of it. It's all good. :hug:
 
Charity

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
NT Hebrews 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath. (the permanent character of His word. immutability (unchangeable) This unchangeable nature of God's purpose was very clear stating that God's promise and His oath are both unchangeable when he made an oath with Abraham. So therefore those 2 things are unchangeable......
There have been other situations where God has changed his mind like adding 15 years to Hezekiah's life.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Draka said:
Well, there wouldn't be now would there? I mean, if god can do anything at any time then he could certainly change things and make us think that's the way things have always been. The question would have to be why would he do such a thing? Afraid to admit a mistake? That's why I was asking the question in the first place. i didn't understand what Boucing Ball meant by it was possible it had been/is being changed and we never know.
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Just because you have an idea doesn't mean you should make it public. Remember, a fool who keeps their mouth shut can be thought to be wise.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
Rolling_Stone said:
perfection cannot be intrinsically improved upon.
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Thats true.

I think I had a different point of view about whether god changes his mind, a few posts back. May I change my mind? When god makes a descision, it can be nothing but the correct one, he has all the facts and he sees stuff from all angles, so he does not change his mind.
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
Heneni said:
Thats true.

I think I had a different point of view about whether god changes his mind, a few posts back. May I change my mind? When god makes a descision, it can be nothing but the correct one, he has all the facts and he sees stuff from all angles, so he does not change his mind.
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So it is not possible that he can decide something for one purpose and then when that purpose is acheived the decision change? Seems to me the act of a stupid god that would order a species to keep procreating at an unhindered rate to the point of overwhelming the ecological system. At what point do we stop "mulitiplying" and start leveling out our population?
 
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emiliano

Well-Known Member
Draka,
Do you mean to say that God changes, as been a different God than the one we new? That is impossible God is and always will be God.
If you think of change in relation to time we can have a go at finding more solutions to the topic, grant me “that change in a thing implies the passage of time”
Using the Abrahamic idea of God, do you believe it is possible for God to change his mind?
This becomes an important question for anyone who bases so many things on the bible and what it says about god's wishes. Think about it. If god perhaps decreed something because of the current state that something was in way back when, and that situation has changed, then isn't it possible that god's opinion or wishes could change in respect to that?
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What the bible teaches are Moral Law, what has changed? there will always be right or wrong, good or evil and the bible is clear on what God’s opinion or wishes are on these subjects.

Times change. Our ability to provide for ourselves and others has changed. Our level of education and exploration has changed. Isn't it possible that, since god knows this, that he just might change his mind about rules and laws that he put down thousands of years ago? As they might not be exactly the best applied nowadays?
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Staying with the bible (I base most things on what the bible teaches), no mater how educated or sophisticated we get, the Moral Law stands as they only way to determinate right or wrong, good or evil.

If god is as omnipotent and such as portrayed and believed to be, don't you think it is possible that he just might look down on this world and think differently about our current situations and how best to handle them? Is he a constantly thinking and adjusting deity with ability to reason and adapt? or is he hard and rigid and not able to change his mind?
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I don’t know if there are other current of thoughts and since you mentioned the bible, I can assure you that there are no Christian that believe that God changes in time, because God exist outside of time, thus He is not affected by Time changes, we change as you said “Our ability to provide for ourselves and others has changed. Our level of education and exploration has changed. “ But God? Not likely!
Is he a constantly thinking and adjusting deity with ability to reason and adapt?
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No He doesn’t need to adjust or adapt, however He can change everything, we are the ones that are constantly seeking ways to justify our shortcomings and wish that God changes His mind, that he call what is wrong right and what is evil good, but it is not going to happen.
 
BruceDLimber

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Greetings!

>Can God change His mind?

No reason He can't.

As the scriptures of several religions point out, "He doeth what He willeth!"

Peace,

Bruce
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
How is "go forth and multiply" a moral law?

What is moral about stoning someone to death?

What is immoral about love?
 
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emiliano

Well-Known Member
Draka,
How is "go forth and multiply" a moral law?
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Let see, this is what re-establish the true purpose of sexual activities (moral) but what have we made of it?

What is moral about stoning someone to death?
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Are you suggesting that they still do this? Besides the Moral Law is contained in two commandments, what you’re citing are the statutes and regulations given to the ancient Israelites to live by in the promised land (Canaan) these are some 613.

What is immoral about love?
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There is plenty wrong with lust and that is what is masqueraded as love in many cases, do you think that all kinds of love are moral?
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
emiliano said:
Draka,

Let see, this is what re-establish the true purpose of sexual activities (moral) but what have we made of it?
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Who's just talking about sex? I'm talking about birth control and limiting ourselves when it comes to reproduction. That should fall within a family you know. If a couple already has 3 kids, then why should they keep going having more children, when they possibly can't even afford the 3 they have, just because god says to multiply and birth control is frowned upon?


Are you suggesting that they still do this? Besides the Moral Law is contained in two commandments, what you’re citing are the statutes and regulations given to the ancient Israelites to live by in the promised land (Canaan) these are some 613.
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I didn't say anyone still does this, but why was it done in the first place? Why would such a horrendous directive be given for any reason to anyone? how could it have been considered a moral thing to do at any time?

There is plenty wrong with lust and that is what is masqueraded as love in many cases, do you think that all kinds of love are moral?
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I'm talking about love, not lust. Exactly what "love" do you automatically chalk up to "lust"? Can you see into the hearts of all people to determine whether their love is true or not? What would give you the right to do so? I'm asking about love, plain and simple. What is immoral about it?
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
Heneni said:
Thats true.

I think I had a different point of view about whether god changes his mind, a few posts back. May I change my mind? When god makes a descision, it can be nothing but the correct one, he has all the facts and he sees stuff from all angles, so he does not change his mind.
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To add to that...

God does not change his mind because he cant...he doesnt have to change his mind, he makes the right choice, first time, every time.
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
Heneni said:
To add to that...

God does not change his mind because he cant...he doesnt have to change his mind, he makes the right choice, first time, every time.
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Obviously he doesn't think so as he changed his mind about different matters right in the bible.
 
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