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The meaning of Islam

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
IF you say that you believe Muslims DO receive revelation directly from Allah, I will VERY MUCH agree with you. I believe that ALL mankind receive revelations that are intended to play “a benevolent role in trying to ascend man toward his higher nature” (as you put it). I do not believe that all individuals have revelations that are intended to direct nations or large groups of people (as is the nature of much of the revelation Allah gives to prophets) but that they all receive "bits" and "pieces" of truth through direct revelation and many other mechanisms (including the natural order and design of creation - which you included as "signs").

Sorry to have taken so much time to reply. I have chosen one bit of your post, as I felt it sums up what I was trying to say. The Prophets did indeed receive revelation for people beyond themself. The direct revelation for 'normal' individuals is very real, but of a more personal nature. That can occur either through the signs in the creation or through the signs in the Quran. The boundaries between Macrocosm (Universe), Microcosm (Man), and revealed texts (Books) can very often blur with signs reinforcing each other. In a way the Quran was revealed to Muhammad, but is also revealed to each individual Muslim as he reads and ponders its content. In this way all 'signs' can interact and the experience may be non-linear and multidimensional. This is why I chose to use the word ‘sign’; the experience is in itself a peculiar and intangible phenomena, that the semantics of such are confusing is unsurprising as God’s sovereignty runs back and forth through the matrices of creation.

I'm still on holiday, so will probably not be posting too much.When I get home I have to prep for school so will be equally busy.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Thanks a lot for your nice comments,
Now I I really wish to know your answer for the following question:

What was the need of Islam as a religion of when Judaism and Christianity existed and prevailed at the time of its revelation?

I can let Jesus answer that.

"One who is not sick does not need a doctor."
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I can let Jesus answer that.

"One who is not sick does not need a doctor."

Is that sickness materialstic or spiritual one?

You might tell when someone is sick in his body, but how do you know if he was sick spiritually?

I doubt that Jesus meant here the sickness of the body, if that was really what he said.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Is that sickness materialstic or spiritual one?
Spiritual sickness, ummmm... care to explain this amusing concept?


You might tell when someone is sick in his body, but how do you know if he was sick spiritually?
IF you have anything meaningful to backup this somewhat naive concept, no doubt, it may just provide a few nanoseconds of mirth.

I doubt that Jesus meant here the sickness of the body, if that was really what he said.
Ah, the perennial Muslim "Doubting Thomas" serenade.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Spiritual sickness, ummmm... care to explain this amusing concept?

IF you have anything meaningful to backup this somewhat naive concept, no doubt, it may just provide a few nanoseconds of mirth.

Ah, the perennial Muslim "Doubting Thomas" serenade.

One might define 'good' as health can one not?

Health can have no meaning without it's counterpart.

If one's spiritual state can be seen as benign, thren the spiritual state must be capable of malignity as well.

Therefore spiritual illness must be part of the spectrom of spiritual states as well.

TaShan 1, Ymir 0.

Regards,
Scott
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
One might define 'good' as health can one not?
Indeed one can ascribe a relatively meaningless value judgment to ones physiological condition, but the label is vague, at best.


Health can have no meaning without it's counterpart.
Not entirely. It can be used as a noun that has no need of a counterpart.


If one's spiritual state can be seen as benign, thren the spiritual state must be capable of malignity as well.
But you fail to mention why it would be benign in the first place. Why make the vapid assertion at all? I’ll spare you the lecture on the word “benign”
.

Therefore spiritual illness must be part of the spectrom of spiritual states as well.
Stunted reasoning offered up as wisdom. You are merely projecting qualities onto states of consciousness, that quite clearly, you have little understanding of.


TaShan 1, Ymir 0.
TaShan 0, Popeyesays 0, YmirGF :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Indeed one can ascribe a relatively meaningless value judgment to ones physiological condition, but the label is vague, at best.

Not entirely. It can be used as a noun that has no need of a counterpart.

But you fail to mention why it would be benign in the first place. Why make the vapid assertion at all? I’ll spare you the lecture on the word “benign”.

Stunted reasoning offered up as wisdom. You are merely projecting qualities onto states of consciousness, that quite clearly, you have little understanding of.


TaShan 0, Popeyesays 0, YmirGF :rolleyes::rolleyes:

This particular lump of cheese seems to be wax, Paul.

egards,
Scott
 
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