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the sabbath

swazzy

New Member
The sabbath seems to be straight forward, I mean it's part of the ten commandment. Why is it that so much christian seem to think that this holy day has been done away with. The only people who have the right to not observe the holy day is the Catholics the ones that did away with the the sabbath.
 

dharveymi

Member
The problem is that when the Catholic church did away with the Sabbath, they also did away with the knowledge of the true Sabbath. Sabbath is not on Saturday, Sunday, or any day of the pagan Planetary week. Sabbath instead occurs on the quarters of the new moon. Following the new moon festival, sabbath should occur on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the lunar month as early Christians and Jews used to celebrate it.
 

zipo29

Member
do you have any evidence of this stament dharveymi please can you tell me why the Sabbath is on those dates?
 

jay1_z

Member
The reason that most christians don't "keep the sabbath day holy" is because when Jesus came to save us he fulfilled the law. Read Matthew 12.
 

dharveymi

Member
I do have a lot of evidence for the lunar Sabbath. Unfortunately, the evidence is not overwhelming. I do belive that the weight of evidence does support this view. Adding in the historical evidence, it is quite convincing.

The first line of evidence comes from the meaning of the word "mowed" (strong's 04150). This word's use in Gen. 1:4, Lev. 23, and Psalms 104: 19 make it clear that the moon should play an important role it determining when Sabbath is. There also seem to be a lot of similarities between the Sabbath and the new moon.

The second line of evidence comes from the record of when and how Isreal kept Sabbath and the festival of the new moon. Beginning in Exodus 12, whenever it can be determined the date on which Sabbath was kept, it was kept on the 8th or 15th (full moon), and by extension the 22nd, and the 29th, followed by a one or two day new moon festival in which they would not work, buy or sell, and on which the temple would be open, in much the same way that Sabbath was celebrated. These new moon festivals were not counted in the Sabbath counting, but the counting would instead begin again after the appearance of the new moon.

The third line of evidence can be made in absence (not as strong evidence). In the old testament, there is no record of one day of the week being distinquished from another. (Search for "day of the week" and "day of the month") In the Jewish mind, there seems to be no conception of the week as we know it. If Sabbath occured on the same days of each month, there would be no reason for a "week" as we know it. There also seems to be no urgency in recording successive Sabbath dates (and no record of it). This would seem to be important if the correct reckoning of the Sabbath depended on this record. Otherwise it might be possible for someone to have forgotten which was the correct day.

Finally, evidence for the existence of an ancient continuous week is extant. Instead, most ancient civilized societies divided the lunar month into "weeks" of various lengths (7-10 days). The week as we know it seems to have come into existence in the late second century of the common era, and was independantly adopted by the christian and the jewish world by their rulers.
 

dan

Well-Known Member
There was no specific Sabbath for the Jews for many years; but after the Babylonian captivity, many things changed. One of those things was a permanent Sabbath day. It was Saturday, the seventh day. In many languages the words for Saturday and Sabbath are the exact same word. The Sabbath was observed in remembrance of the creation. After Christ's resurrection it was changed to Sunday in order to conmemorate a more important happening: the resurrection.

Christ fulfilled the law of Moses, but He did not destroy it. Many things are still intact (such as every single one of the ten commandments). It is folly to insist that fulfilling the law of Moses completely destroyed all practices and doctrine associated with it. It is a weak interpretation made by people out to satisfy their own imperfect agenda (as is much of mainstream Christianity today).

The Sabbath is the reason that Israel fell. The Lord always promised to let Israel off the hook if they would only remember to practice proper Sabbath observance. That law is still just as important today as it was back then. The Sabbath must be observed if one is to draw sufficiently close to God to reap the benefits and blessings of obedience to His laws.
 

dharveymi

Member
Wow! I don't know were to start. The Jews were taken into captivity because of they did not observe Sabbath properly. But while they were in Babylon, they learned the proper way? So when the the traders, after Nehemiah rebuilt the wall, asked when would the new moon be over and the sabbath, so they could enter the city and buy and sell again, they were then celebrating the planetary week? I think not.

The fact that many languages use a word like the Hebrew word for Sabbath for the seventh day of the planetary week would be much more convincing if there were corresponding stories from explorers who found primitive people keeping a continuous seven-day week with the Sabbath as the seventh day (I am aware of very few, if any) This common word can be alternately explained as Europeon explorers and missionaries taught these "primitive" cultures the new concept of the "planetary" week the primitives would use their teacher's word for the new concept. If they already had a word for the concept, they would simply translate the word into the word from their language. The fact that the words are so alike, might be evidence for a recent common teaching culture and no corresponding concept in the learning language. To my knowledge there is evidence of NO ancient culture observing a continuous seven-day cycle.
 

zipo29

Member
dan said:
The Sabbath was observed in remembrance of the creation. After Christ's resurrection it was changed to Sunday in order to conmemorate a more important happening: the resurrection..

sry but the day was not changed to sunday to remember the resurection Jesus rose on a saturday the reason it was changed was because Constintine <=spelling changed it to sunday because he was a sun worshiper and he did this to appease the christians and the pagans.
 
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