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Question pertaining to atonement in the Jewish faith.
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NoahideHiker
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This teaching is found in Midrash Tanhuma where it teaches Adam ran into Cain after his trial with G-d and Adam asked him ho it went and Cain responds, "I repented and G-r accepted it.".
Yid613
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And Cain said to the Lord, "Is my iniquity too great to bear? Behold You have driven me today off the face of the earth, and I shall be hidden from before You, and I will be a wanderer and an exile in the land, and it will be that whoever finds me will kill me." And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be wrought upon him sevenfold," and the Lord placed a mark on Cain that no one who find him slay him. - Berei**** (Genesis) 4:13-15
After being judged Kayin (Cain) accept the verdict, acknowledges his sin, and asks for mercy. G-d accepts his teshuva (return, repentance) and lessens his punishment. As NoahideHiker said this is the understanding based on the Midrash.
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and he begot in his likeness after his image, and he named him Seth. - Berei**** (Genesis) 5:3
Why did he wait 130 yrs? From the same Midrash we learn that Adam learned of teshuva (return, repentance) from Kayin (Cain). He separated from his wife and fasted for 130 yrs to do teshuva (return, repentance) for his sin.
And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son, and she named him Seth, for God has given me other seed, instead of Abel, for Cain slew him. - Berei**** (Genesis) 4:25
The Shaar Hagilgulim teaches that Kayin (Cain) and Hevel (Abel) where conceived after Adam sinned. Their souls were damaged. Kayins (Cains) was mostly evil while Hevels (Abels) was mostly good. Seth was a gilgulim (reincarnation) of Hevel (Abel) he received the good from Hevel (Abel).
By killing his brother he brought the concept of teshuva (return, repentance) into the world. He also put into motion the actions need to rectify Adams sin. This would not be completed until the giving of the Torah.
Harmonious
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But more to the point, have the Jews actually been in control of the Temple Mount to a degree that putting up the Temple (and of course, removing the buildings already standing there) would be a viable course of action?
Yid613
Member
We dont need to know the exact location for the Pascal Sacrifice. It just needs to be done in the courtyard, and is still valid without sprinkling the blood on the Alter. The existing building would not be in the way. Many hold that the problem of ritual impurity does not apply in a time when everyone is impure.
When the Israeli government gave the Temple mount to the Arabs I believe it was with the understanding that it would be open to everyone. It was the Israeli courts that added except Jews.
Harmonious
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Possibly. However, many OTHER sacrifices are very specific to where they need to be slaughtered, and the buildings are indeed in the way.
This is a discussion that is beyond my knowledge.
My best guess would be that the effort would be made to MAKE people pure. But beyond that... I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I wish I knew.
Yeah, well... I think that has to do with the above concept about purity. And the Temple's environs, and that if Jews are not fit to enter the Temple, then they should not enter the Temple Mount.
There is more to the concept then I understand, but that is what I DO understand.