Muffled
Jesus in me
It was not heresy to The Apostle Peter. Is it possible the RCC is not in agreement with its supposed founder?
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Are Denominations Godly?
- Thread starter seaweedfeathers
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It was not heresy to The Apostle Peter. Is it possible the RCC is not in agreement with its supposed founder?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Actually, the Church developed it's first heresy when Jesus declared to Peter, "Get thee behind me..."
Fish-Hunter
Rejoice in the Lord!
Are you from the Church of Christ? IF not, please provide a link to what particular church that you attend.
seaweedfeathers
New Member
Charity wrote: Since you think that the denominations are pagan churches, may I ask do you attend a church at all? Perhaps if you read the context in which some of the scriptures are meant. Paul was not talking about different denominations but the division in the Church at Corinth. He had received news that the conditions were not good at Corinth...Immorality was one of the problems. Paul was there to restore the Church. The Church was considered inmmature and unspiritual, with many divisions in the church.... There were about 12 temples in Corinth, one dedicated to Aphrodite the worshipers there practiced religious prostitution and Paul had previously warned the Church not to be associated with sexually immoral people. 2 Cor 6:14, And verse 17 Come out and be a separate people......These things I do agree with you on....But I see no connection or any indication where denomination is mentioned or referred to as Pagan because of a denomination.....
In Acts 2:47 Yes God does add to the number of people who are getting saved daily. God does this in all churches that love and worship him. Because of the fellowship of the believers.....unity with one another, in that particular church. It doesn't mean that each Church will not have someone saved just because they have a different name over the door....
I think any denomination that believes the basic fundamental Christian beliefs are Godly....God sent His only son to die for our sins, that we might have eternal life. Jesus Christ was the Son of God, who was crucified, shed His blood for the remission of our sins, died on a cross, was buried and rose on the 3rd day, ascended to the Father and is seated at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for us...I am speaking for protestant churches only.
Here is the trouble with that theory its not based on scripture here is what is based on scripture.
In the church Christ is building, he adds the members wither they are in a pagan, man made church or wherever they are living or at; at the time of salvation the Lord adds them to his Body or Church. So location has nothing to do with it. Also since the Lord is the one to add each member there are no unsaved in His Church, not one. In all sectarian counterfeit churches there are both saved and unsaved. God does not want this, only man who is carnal in his thinking want to have saved and unsaved worshiping together. You will notice God calls this walking in darkness. 2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? God said it I didn't. If you don't agree with then you are calling God a liar. ROMANS 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I'll leave this one thought with you so you can digest this little bit and not to confuse you with more from the word.
In Acts 2:47 Yes God does add to the number of people who are getting saved daily. God does this in all churches that love and worship him. Because of the fellowship of the believers.....unity with one another, in that particular church. It doesn't mean that each Church will not have someone saved just because they have a different name over the door....
I think any denomination that believes the basic fundamental Christian beliefs are Godly....God sent His only son to die for our sins, that we might have eternal life. Jesus Christ was the Son of God, who was crucified, shed His blood for the remission of our sins, died on a cross, was buried and rose on the 3rd day, ascended to the Father and is seated at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for us...I am speaking for protestant churches only.
Here is the trouble with that theory its not based on scripture here is what is based on scripture.
In the church Christ is building, he adds the members wither they are in a pagan, man made church or wherever they are living or at; at the time of salvation the Lord adds them to his Body or Church. So location has nothing to do with it. Also since the Lord is the one to add each member there are no unsaved in His Church, not one. In all sectarian counterfeit churches there are both saved and unsaved. God does not want this, only man who is carnal in his thinking want to have saved and unsaved worshiping together. You will notice God calls this walking in darkness. 2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? God said it I didn't. If you don't agree with then you are calling God a liar. ROMANS 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I'll leave this one thought with you so you can digest this little bit and not to confuse you with more from the word.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
I can give you scriptures to back up what I believe, but to what avail? It won't change either one's pov. 
.............Please believe me you will not confuse me in the word, I have been in the ministry too long to be sidetracked by someone attacking my personal belief..............I don't like to ramble and rant so I wish you many blessings and peace be with you.
.............Please believe me you will not confuse me in the word, I have been in the ministry too long to be sidetracked by someone attacking my personal belief..............I don't like to ramble and rant so I wish you many blessings and peace be with you.
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McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Ah yes, the popular appeal to divinity.
Ever consider even the remote possibility that you have it wrong?
that perhaps, even as hard it may be to even think about, you are mistaken?
If what you imply is true, then how do you explain the fact that Jesus did not hide amongst the choir, but instead went out of his way to be amongst the sinners?
So if a pagan walks into a church it is no longer of God? And how do you make sure you are worshipping only with people who are saved? I can't be sure of the heart of ANYONE beside myself, so I guess I better not worship but alone...
Muffled
Jesus in me
I suppose we would have to find fault with God Himself because Jesus welcomed Judas Isacriot to become a member of His group of apostles. But then Judas had a unique role to play, that of the scapegoat.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
This doesn't answer the question:
How do you make sure you are worshipping only with people who are saved?
In fact I find the idea of only worshipping with saved rather against Jesus's mission...
Mark 2:17 said:
Scott1
Well-Known Member
Amen....
Jesus invites sinners to the table of the kingdom: "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." He invites them to that conversion without which one cannot enter the kingdom, but shows them in word and deed his Father's boundless mercy for them and the vast "joy in heaven over one sinner who repents". The supreme proof of his love will be the sacrifice of his own life "for the forgiveness of sins".
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
Amen to that also.....and Amen to Mr Emu on his post....
tomspug
Absorbant
There's nothing 'godly' about denominations. Denominations are inevitable. It is natural for humans to have different perspectives and missions. Obviously, non-denominational is ideal, but it's a lot to ask for many people, who don't have the personality nor the mental capacity to be able to sit down and talk about every little issue that gets brought up.
I also find your use of 'pagan' to describe certain denominations very strange. What exactly is pagan about them, might I ask?
I also find your use of 'pagan' to describe certain denominations very strange. What exactly is pagan about them, might I ask?
Muffled
Jesus in me
As with Judas a man's true colors show up sooner or later. If a man is an avowed homosexual and is not repentant of his sin, he is not saved. Some denominations have come to accept such a person into fellowship which means to me that the denomination is now fellowshipping with sin. Such a denomination has become apostate and has rejected salvation.
Although there may be some who keep their sin in the closet, the denomination can't be held reesponsible for that as long as they are holding up a standard of righteousness. If I don't know about a man's sin, I am not in fellowship with it and the fellowship with the person is based on what is righteous in that person's life.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Wow.
So from this I can only conclude that every church in the world is "fellow shipping with sin."
Or does that only apply to homosexuality?
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
According to scripture it would be impossible for denominations to be godly for several reasons.
The first reason being: both saved and unsaved are members of various sects and denominations and all have different faiths and they fellowship together with unbelievers. The only unity in denominations is the pagan holidays that originated in pagan traditions and beliefs and observance of the ungodly days that are done with one mind and heart by both saved and unsaved believers.
2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Denominations would be pagan churches such as the Baptists, Roman Catholicism, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal: in other words all of modern Christianity as it is called. The reason I make this statement is because Christ is building His own church or body and He personally adds the members Himself.
Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
If you have a choice of having your name added to the membership rolls then it is not of God for we are to have our fellowship in Christ only and do this we have to walk in His word only and not within the sectarian walls that dived's true believers.
1Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 1:7 is how God wants us to walk and fellowship not with the unsaved for we are to fellowship just in His name only for we belong to Him for He as made us complete for everything we need to honor and glorify Him.
Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2Cor. 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and
We have everything we need to please God outside the camp to walk as God wants us to. When we add to God's word with man's inventions of religion we are walking carnal as Paul says in 1Cor. 1:10.
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Read the next few verses and see what Paul calls the Christians there for following after men {like Billy Graham, or any other TV preacher you can think of if they had been alive back then** that they are carnal and are babes in Christ.
We are to do our walk just in his name and that would have to include fellowship as well.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Seaweedfeathers
Let me provide you with a biblical solution
Jermiah 6:16
Thus says the LORD,
"Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths,
Where the good way is, and walk in it;
And you will find rest for your souls."
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
how would you know if the spirit is Godly?
read my signature:yes:
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, the longer the time i spend here posting verses, they always rebuke it as if it is not written, continuously Implying the living God is a liar...
According to John
John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
they love the dark....:thud:
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
The difference is people sin and commit sin
Jesus saved from sins... and will save those who no longer commits sins intentionally from eternal fire...
do you honestly think a person trying to be holy with God's help and mercy share eternal life with people who raped childeren and those people who after knowing the truth continued to fund their sleezy acts?
I don't think thats fair even in a sane human beings perspective...
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But where is it written that life is fair? And why are we looking at this from "even a sane human being's perspective?" Are we not supposed to be learning to look at life from God's perspective? What do you suppose it is that separates (makes sacred, or holy) the righteous from the unrighteous? All of us sin, and all of us commit sins intentionally -- even those of us who are saved. What separates us -- makes us holy -- is not some ineffable favor of God (for God favors all of us equally), but the very fact that it is us who share God's help, hospitality and mercy with our enemies -- with the unmerciful. We can only do that in community with them. The Church was never meant to be a country club for saints. We have to get in there and get our hands dirty with the unrighteous, even as God has gotten in there and gotten dirty with humanity by becoming dirty for us.
BTW, we are not saved from sin. We are saved from the death that sin brings.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
Which sin, exactly, is this "avowed" homosexual guilty of that can cause him to lose his salvation?
On second thought, forget it... I don't think I'd like your answers.