"Born-Again Christians Rule!

retrorich · Nov 3, 2004

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]11-03-2004 7:18 AM
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer

"In Ohio, Kerry won among young adults, but lost in every other age group. One-fourth of Ohio voters identified themselves as born-again Christians and they backed Bush by a 3-to-1 margin.

A sideline issue in the national presidential campaign, gay civil unions may have been a sleeper that hurt Kerry _ who strongly supports that right _ in Ohio and elsewhere. Ohioans expanded their law banning gay marriage, already considered the toughest in the country, with an even broader constitutional amendment against civil unions"

Get used to it. The "born-again" Christians now rule this country, and will do so for the foreseeable future. They can choose our presidents and pass any laws they choose. Bad news for non-Christians, gays and anyone else the Christians disapprove of.[/font]

Green Gaia · Nov 3, 2004

retrorich said:
They can choose our presidents and pass any law they choose. Bad news for non-Christians, gays and anyone else the Christians disapprove of.

Exactly what I was afraid of happening. They're turning this country into a Christian theocracy, which goes against everything I thought the United States of America stood for. Get ready for the Crusades II......

jewscout · Nov 3, 2004

Maize what do you mean get ready aren't we already doing that right now?
I guess i can always move to Israel.:banghead3

Green Gaia · Nov 3, 2004

It is viewed by some, especially in the Arab world, that we are in another Crusades, the USA with it's president saying God told him to invade Iraq and that God is on his (Christian) side fighting against the Muslims in their home countries.... looks awfully familiar.

Sunstone · Nov 3, 2004

Get used to it. The "born-again" Christians now rule this country, and will do so for the foreseeable future. They can choose our presidents and pass any laws they choose. Bad news for non-Christians, gays and anyone else the Christians disapprove of.

It's hard to believe this is good news. Fundamentalists are not especially well known for their realistic grasp of reality. By the time this trend towards the Religious Right is over, the whole nation may need to be institutionalized. Time to up my meds.

huajiro · Nov 3, 2004

jewscout said:
I guess i can always move to Israel.:banghead3

Is there room on that flight for me?:banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3

Watcher · Nov 3, 2004

huajiro said:
Is there room on that flight for me?:banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3

Israel?? How about Canada or New Zealand? Free healthcare!:jiggy:

I've been saying that this looks like more of a religious war then anything forever! Christians vs. Muslims Part II

jewscout · Nov 3, 2004

Watcher said:
Israel?? How about Canada or New Zealand? Free healthcare!:jiggy:

I've been saying that this looks like more of a religious war then anything forever! Christians vs. Muslims Part II

At least in Israel i won't be a minority, i'll be among other Jews.:jam:

Lightkeeper · Nov 3, 2004

Maize said:
It is viewed by some, especially in the Arab world, that we are in another Crusades, the USA with it's president saying God told him to invade Iraq and that God is on his (Christian) side fighting against the Muslims in their home countries.... looks awfully familiar.

Wouldn't you think he would wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving?

robtex · Nov 3, 2004

retrorich said:
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]11-03-2004 7:18 A

Get used to it. The "born-again" Christians now rule this country, and will do so for the foreseeable future. They can choose our presidents and pass any laws they choose. Bad news for non-Christians, gays and anyone else the Christians disapprove of.[/font]

and so death and destruction will follow. Does anyone know about moveon.org? It is a anti bush website that ran an ad to appear during the superbowl. The ad was an ongoing contest which was censored by CBS
(click on http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/bush-hitler-ads.htm)

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040105-114507-1007r.htm
http://www.falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html
http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

http://www.moveon.org/front/

Mr Spinkles · Nov 4, 2004

Lightkeeper said:
Wouldn't you think he would wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving?

You're right. He should have sent Saddam Hussein flowers maybe. That would probably have convinced him to stop dragging people on concrete and then dipping them in raw sewage.

Quoth The Raven · Nov 5, 2004

Lightkeeper said:
Wouldn't you think he would wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving?

There was a documentary on over here last week (went for a couple of weeks actually) that was rather and in depth look at both candidates, and someone on that said of Bush that he never hesitates on making a decision. The man has tunnel vision. While Kerry can apparently be presented with 6 viewpoints and add another 20 potential viewpoints to the mix, Bush sees what he sees and there IS no other viewpoint.
He wouldn't wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving, because he'd have to second guess what he's doing to wonder.

Quoth The Raven · Nov 5, 2004

Mr_Spinkles said:
You're right. He should have sent Saddam Hussein flowers maybe. That would probably have convinced him to stop dragging people on concrete and then dipping them in raw sewage.

Yeah. He's a top bloke,is George. Champion of human rights. It was Saddam's abuse of them that prompted our good, Texan friend to march on in there and kick his weapons stockpiling bum.(But oh,how I laughed when the only WMD's found after the invasion were buried in a hole on a military base slap bang in the USA (Anthrax, anyone? It's an excellent vintage.)) It was all about human rights when Afghanistan was invaded too.
Oh, hang on, there were plenty of human rights abused in Afghanistan before 9/11, and if the government over there had turned around when asked and said,'yeah,Osama's under that rock over there, would you like him gift wrapped?' instead of telling him to stick it in his ear, there'd still be women being shot in the street as we type. I sincerely doubt George Bush gives a toss about the people being dragged on concrete and dipped in sewage.

Mr Spinkles · Nov 6, 2004

lady_lazarus said:
Yeah. He's a top bloke,is George. Champion of human rights. It was Saddam's abuse of them that prompted our good, Texan friend to march on in there and kick his weapons stockpiling bum.(But oh,how I laughed when the only WMD's found after the invasion were buried in a hole on a military base slap bang in the USA (Anthrax, anyone? It's an excellent vintage.))

As humorous as I find it, your criticism of Bush would not have been any more successful at preventing Saddam from dragging people on concrete and dipping them in raw sewage than the dozen roses Bush lovingly sent him.

It was all about human rights when Afghanistan was invaded too.
Oh, hang on, there were plenty of human rights abused in Afghanistan before 9/11, and if the government over there had turned around when asked and said,'yeah,Osama's under that rock over there, would you like him gift wrapped?' instead of telling him to stick it in his ear, there'd still be women being shot in the street as we type. I sincerely doubt George Bush gives a toss about the people being dragged on concrete and dipped in sewage.

In other words, Bush can't win with you. If he took a firm stance against the human rights violations in Afghanistan before 9/11, you would criticize Bush for taking action against a regime that hasn't directly attacked us. Then after 9/11 Bush takes a firm stance against Afghanistan, and you criticize him for not doing it sooner. So please lady_lazarus, tell me what you would have done instead. Would flowers have worked on the Taliban, too?

lady_lazarus said:
I sincerely doubt George Bush gives a toss about the people being dragged on concrete and dipped in sewage.

I sincerely disagree with you.

Quoth The Raven · Nov 7, 2004

Mr_Spinkles said:
As humorous as I find it, your criticism of Bush would not have been any more successful at preventing Saddam from dragging people on concrete and dipping them in raw sewage than the dozen roses Bush lovingly sent him.

In other words, Bush can't win with you. If he took a firm stance against the human rights violations in Afghanistan before 9/11, you would criticize Bush for taking action against a regime that hasn't directly attacked us. Then after 9/11 Bush takes a firm stance against Afghanistan, and you criticize him for not doing it sooner. So please lady_lazarus, tell me what you would have done instead. Would flowers have worked on the Taliban, too?

I sincerely disagree with you.

I'm not criticizing him for taking a firm stance on human rights violations at all. What I am criticizing is the claim that it's all about human rights, when human rights obviously weren't paramount before 9/11. Either what was going on in Afghanistan was wrong and should have been stopped, or it was a cultural difference that had nothing to do with anyone elses government. It's a cultural difference and has nothing to do with us until they upset us over something else, at which point it becomes wrong is just finding a socially acceptable reason to start a stoush. Personally I have no problem with what happened in Afghanistan...I think it should have happened sooner.
Now on to the people getting their arms hacked off with rusty machetes say I. They probably don't have anything enyone else wants, but we're all for sticking up for the little guy.

And as for flowers, you'd be amazed how far a dozen roses can actually get you

.

I wouldn't have tried it with the Taliban though...the courier probably would have gotten stoned.

Mr Spinkles · Nov 7, 2004

lady_lazarus said:
Personally I have no problem with what happened in Afghanistan...I think it should have happened sooner.

I couldn't agree more with you. Like Iraq, it would have been nice if this had been a cause taken up by the U.N.

Dr. Khan · Mar 17, 2005

:tsk: Your attitude sounds carnal. I like Paul who told the Galatians I am afraid of you. Now ask your self this question, why would I a christian, filled with the spirit of God, like the apostles were (John 7:37-39) would say that I am Afraid of you.

Dr. Khan · Mar 17, 2005

born again Christians do not boast in any other thant the name of Jesus.
He is Lord we depend upon Him not government. When you turn to government to do your works is it not fornication as in Mystery Babylon. Ye are carnal; and I doubt y ou know any thing about what Jesus wants for the world like everyone saved like Osama Bin and Saddam and any such like . You see they Osama and Saddam would have to labour like Paul to please Jesus. good day.:tsk: :woohoo: :woohoo:

michel · Mar 18, 2005

Lightkeeper said:
Wouldn't you think he would wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving?

he probably subconsciously thinks he is God ! Reminds me of Amin, in Uganda, who apparently had a telephone in his bedroom with the line cable running out of the window! He was supposed to be talking to God!:bonk:

Melody · Mar 18, 2005

Lightkeeper said:
Wouldn't you think he would wonder why God never tells him to do anything loving?

I think it's because he's never made it past the OT.

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