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What makes a swear?

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
What makes a swar a swear? Is it the derogatory usage? Or the word itself? For instance, the word F***. What was it used for? It was a normal ancient anglo-saxon word for sex, I believe. Is it the derogatory usage that is wrong, or the word itself? If you stub your toe and scream F***, instead of "sugar" or "fudge" is it wrong? Shouldn't sugar or fudge be just as wrong then? For followers of the Abrahamic religions that use the Ten Commandments, did God really mean for the word "F***" to be a curse? Or a host of other words that "they" (whoever "they" is) determined to be intrinsically evil?

What is a swear to you?
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Cultural connotation and intent. One while ago, the term a-word referred only to an animal. Now it refers to a rude person, a member of our anatomy, and is almost always crude. Likewise the f-word used to deride gays simply meant a burning ember at one time...now it is such an ugly word. Likewise the n-word for blacks.

Culture imbues a meaning that transcends our intents, though we can cuss with simply out intentions as well. That is how words change after all :). For example, while it may not be swearing to say "kiss off," if the intent behind it is the same, then there really isn't much difference.
 

meogi

Well-Known Member
I think swears are only emotions. Language is the problem... gotta relate your frustation/pain somehow. I'd go as far to say that tightly closing your mouth, clenching teeth, and letting out that slow forced breath that happens when you stub your toe sometimes as a swear...

More generally though, swears are culturally and socially created through extensive use and implication.
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
Actually I think the word F*** came from pluck. Back in the days, when archery was the main source of projectory combat, when someone did something terrible they would cut off the middle finger (what archers used to pull back the arrow.) And they used to say, pluck you!! But it evolved into f*** you. So its not the word, its the use behind it.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Master Vigil said:
Actually I think the word F*** came from pluck. Back in the days, when archery was the main source of projectory combat, when someone did something terrible they would cut off the middle finger (what archers used to pull back the arrow.) And they used to say, pluck you!! But it evolved into f*** you. So its not the word, its the use behind it.

Wrong f-word :). I'm referring to f****t, the term often used to insult gays.
 

john5746

New Member
What makes a swear is:

1) the intention of the swearer
2) the effect on the people hearing the swear(including the swearer)

So, if you yell out APPLE! Your intention is for everyone to hear your frustration, but no one will be offended.

If you yell out F***! And no one hears it, then no harm done?

If you yell some word in one language that isn't offensive, but sounds like an offensive word to someone in a different language, then you have offended them, but your intent was not to do so. Same with terrets(sp?) syndrome.
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
Druidus said:
What makes a swar a swear? Is it the derogatory usage? Or the word itself? For instance, the word F***. What was it used for? It was a normal ancient anglo-saxon word for sex, I believe. Is it the derogatory usage that is wrong, or the word itself? If you stub your toe and scream F***, instead of "sugar" or "fudge" is it wrong? Shouldn't sugar or fudge be just as wrong then? For followers of the Abrahamic religions that use the Ten Commandments, did God really mean for the word "F***" to be a curse? Or a host of other words that "they" (whoever "they" is) determined to be intrinsically evil?
The infamous "F word," and many other Anglo-Saxon words, are onomatopoetic. (See definition below.) If you think about it, the "F word" imitates a sound often made during penil/vaginal intercourse. The is no logical reason to consider that word more unacceptable than any other word for sexual intercourse.


on•o•mato•poe•ia \'ä-n€-'mä-t€-"pÈ-€\ n 1 : formation of words in imitation of natural sounds (as buzz or hiss) 2 : the use of words whose sound suggests the sense — on•o•mato•poe•ic \-"pÈ-ik\ or on•o•mato•po•et•ic \-pÖ-"e-tik\ adj — on•o•mato•poe•i•cal•ly \-"pÈ-€-k(€-)lÈ\ or on•o•mato•po•et•i•cal•ly \-pÖ-"e-ti-k(€-)lÈ\ adv

(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I try not to swear; sometimes though, I do let the occasional expletive out - and then regret it. I suppose, as someone said, we all know what we really mean by 'sugar'. The implication of that is that the 'swearer' could be seen to be guilty of a hypocritical attempt to 'justify' the swear word.
ie It's no good, you can't win anyway!!:jiggy:
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Heh, you guys seem to be forgetting that it's not only words that are curses :D (Except for meogi, of course) Know the right ASL signs and you can get pretty creative.

And I think it's the intent behind the word more than anything. It just ends up as amusing when someone screams "KITTEN" or somesuch in the same voice they would say "f***," though :p
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
First there is more than one way to "swear".

Most here are referring to coarse language or obscenities. The ten commandments refers to taking God's name in vain. The NT goes even further:

Ephesians 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

But a "swear" can also be an oath or promise. "I swear it on my mother's grave" actually is a promise or affirmation of truth. But most promises are destined to be broken so the NT teaches us:

Matthew 5:33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, `Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' 34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your `Yes' be `Yes,' and your `No,' `No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
The etymology of **** has given rise to a great deal of speculation, which should be regarded skeptically. The authoritative Oxford English Dictionary is quite cautious in providing an etymology for this word. In the quotation below, the dictionary's usual abbreviations are spelled out for clarity:

Early modern English ****, fuk, answering to a Middle English type *fuken (weak verb) [which is] not found; ulterior etymology unknown. Synonymous German ficken cannot be shown to be related. The first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500. The poem, which satirizes the Carmelite friars of Cambridge, England, takes its title, “Flen flyys”, from the first words of its opening line, “Flen, flyys, and freris”; that is, “Fleas, flies, and friars”. The line that contains **** reads “Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk.” The Latin words “Non sunt in coeli, quia,” mean “They (the friars) are not in heaven, since.” The code “gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk” is easily broken by simply substituting the preceding letter in the alphabet, keeping in mind differences in the alphabet and in spelling between then and now: i was then used for both i and j; v was used for both u and v; and vv was used for w. This yields “fvccant (a fake Latin form) vvivys of heli.” The whole thus reads in translation: “They are not in heaven since they **** wives of Ely (a town near Cambridge).”

As the OED notes, some have attempted to draw a connection to the German word ficken (to ****, in dialects: to rub, to scratch, and historically to strike).

A possible etymology is suggested by the fact that the Common Germanic fuk-, by an application of Grimm's law, would have as its most likely Indo-European ancestor *pug-, which appears in Latin and Greek words meaning "fight" and "fist". In early Common Germanic the word was likely used at first as a slang or euphemistic replacement for an older word for "intercourse", and then became the usual word for "intercourse".

Other possible connections are to Latin futuere (hence the French foutre, the Italian fottere, the vulgar peninsular Spanish follar and joder, and the Portuguese foder). However, there is considerable doubt and no clear lineage for these derivations. These roots, even if cognate, are not the original Indo-European word for to ****; that root is likely *h3yebh-, ("h3" is the H3 laryngeal) which is attested in Sanskrit (yabhati) and the Slavic languages (Russian yebat`), among others: compare Greek "oiphô" (verb), and Greek "zephyros" (noun, ref. a Greek belief that the west wind caused pregnancy). However, Wayland Young (who agrees that these words are related) argues that they derive from the Indo-European *bhu- or *bhug-, believed to be the root of "to be", "to grow", and "to build". [Young, 1964]

Spanish follar has a different root; according to Spanish etymologists, the Spanish verb "follar" (attested in the 19th century) derives from "fuelle" (bellows) from Latin "folle(m)" < Indo-European "bhel-"; ancient Spanish verb folgar (attested in the 15th century) derived from Latin "follicare", ultimately from follem/follis too.

Some have supposed that **** has cognates in other Germanic languages, such as Middle Dutch fokken (to thrust, to copulate), dialectical Norwegian fukka (to copulate), and dialectical Swedish focka (to strike, copulate) and fock (penis). A very similar set of Latin words that have not yet been related to these are those for hearth or fire, "focus/focum" (with a short o), fiery, "focilis", Latin and Italian for hearthly/hearthling, "foc[c]ia/focac[c]ia", and fire, "focca", and the Italian for bonfire, "focere". But these words came from New Latin, centuries after Middle Dutch.

There is perhaps even an original Celtic derivation; futuere being related to battuere (to strike, to copulate); which may be related to Irish bot and Manx bwoid (penis). The argument is that battuere and futuere (like the Irish and Manx words) comes from the Celtic *bactuere (to pierce), from the root buc- (a point). An even earlier root may be the Egyptian petcha (to copulate), which has a highly suggestive hieroglyph. Or perhaps Latin "futuere" came from the root "fu", Common Indo-European "bhu", meaning "be, become" and originally referred to procreation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

Obviously, the word was once perfectly usable. (On the same page, it says that the bird we know as the kestrel was called windf*****, and it was perfectly acceptable!)

I don't think any "swears" should be really considered "swears" beyond intent of the word.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Druidus said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

Obviously, the word was once perfectly usable. (On the same page, it says that the bird we know as the kestrel was called windf*****, and it was perfectly acceptable!)

I don't think any "swears" should be really considered "swears" beyond intent of the word.

I agree with you almost 100%. Words, though, have a common definition, and what is cussing in common perception would still be cussing. I can't say f***k or n****r without the offensive definitions being perceived. Until something drastically changes, those words are offensive and cussing even independent of my usage.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
What makes a swear?
The combination of vowels and consonants that when defined to a society, seem to offend.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
What makes a swear?

$%*&!? if I know. Why people take offence is a greater mystery to me.

Is it still offensive if someone is swearing to themselves? Like I often will when I make a mess of something.
 

Prima

Well-Known Member
I've often thought that if we all make a decision to start swearing, there will no longer be swear words. Or, rather, we'll have to make up some new swear words :D

Personally, I think it's the intent.

Some believe that, as far as the commandment goes (not using the Lord's name in vain) that is actually referring to oaths. In biblical times, oaths were always done using the Lord's name. It is in no way talking about expletives. What it is actually saying is not to make false promises.
 
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