john313
warrior-poet
Finding the Right Way through the eyes of Logic
God is One...
So, The Truth is One...
Therefore, All Prophets and Messengers must have taught One teaching; One
Way; One Religion; the Religion of Nature...(a nameless religion)
The important point to realise here is that there is only logically One
teaching for ALL mankind. There's no reason for God to teach one thing to
one people and another to others. You wouldn't teach one child to miss
breakfast, whilst the other you preach its importance. Nor would God teach
one people to eat pork and another not to. This is important to bare in
mind. God is Just, and would NOT teach a different message with a different
set of guidelines to different nations/generations/peoples.
This purified teaching from The God (when I say "The God", I mean The
Creator in the singular and not any undivine man-made idols), brought to us
through His Prophets and Messengers, was to guide mankind out of ignorance
and sin, and to help return them to the Garden of Eden (paradise) awakened,
consciously submitting to The God, purified and cleansed.
This purified teaching never came with a name, such as Budhism, Christianity
or Judaism - these were names ascribed to the purified teachings brought to
us by the Messengers and Prophets of The God.
Submission to The God and earning a place in the Eden requires man to live
in the Right Way, submitting to the Divine Will. The way to do this is to
sacrifice the desires of the self/ego in order to follow the laws and
statutes (guidance) of The God. Thus realigning our-selves/will with the
Divine Will of God Almighty.
Finding the True Laws
So, we know how to get to paradise. We just need to know how to find the
True Laws, which teach us the Right Way to live. If we only have a subset
of the laws with which to follow, then quite logically, we can never attain
true submission to God and won't enter paradise.
The thing is there are many named religions out there, many of which embody
a varying percentage of the True laws/teachings of The God (which
incidentally is exactly what Allah means in arabic). If each of these
man-named religions such as Budhism, Hinduism, Judaism and Christianity.
still had their original teachings (in a book where appropriate) and
untouched by the corrupt authorities, then we would see that the teachings
of these divine guides were all the same*. (i'll explain the * a little
later).
However, as we are finding out slowly, none of these man-named religions are
untainted by man. Christianity has entered idolatory by treating Jesus as a
god (or part of god, or god incarnate), none of the original hebrew texts
remain, only a corrupted greek version. Budhism too has raised Budha to a
god status and their followers now worship him as such. The recent
discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls would clear up many mistakes in the Old
Testament, but the rabbi's refuse to make any more changes to the Old
Testament. The original vedic books can no longer be traced back to any
origin to be authenticated....
The point being, why even bother with these? If the Message is the same,
why not just take the latest version, which lies with Prophet Muhammad??
Like you would any document you were picking up from a computer, you
wouldn't pick up an old revision and start to work from that would you? The
Qur'an is the latest "version" and contains amendments to where the past
books of God have been corrupted. And God has promised this time that He
will protect this book from corruption. This is significant seeing as this
is the Final Messenger/Prophet, bringing the "whole truth", as prophesised
by Jesus. This is not to say people cannot deliberately misinterpret the
book in different languages. But, all muslims, will maintain that the
original arabic Qur'an exists today in the same form that it did 1400 years
ago. Unlike, where any Christian will tell you, many versions of the bible
exist. History will prove this, much like history will prove that the
Qur'an remains unchanged. This is why all muslims are recommended to learn
arabic so that no-one can deliberately misinterpret through languages.
However, this is not to say each man-named religion is totally wrong. They
have just been corrupted. Truth still lies within each one, but to a
varying degree. The only one that I can personally trust, after researching
if the Qur'an has been changed or not, is the teachings in the Qur'an. And
following that is the traditions which explain the actions/teachings of
those who embodied the message. These are much the same as the biblical
gospels which speak of the action and teachings of Jesus (peace be upon
him). Infact, out of all prophets mentioned in the Qur'an, Jesus is
mentioned the most. Anyway, that's a side note. But this is why people who
are ignorant to the reality of the situation will claim that all religions
are the same, they all teach one to be good to another or not to steal etc.
This is because these parts haven't been corrupted and remain untainted in
each of the man-named religions.
The "Spirit" in the bible
When i said before that all teachings were the same* for all prophets and
messengers, this is true... However, the extent to which they would have
gone into the details and intricacies may have varied. This is because
mankind as a whole could not handle such a burden so early in it's
progression towards awakenedness. Much like you can not just make a baby
run at birth. Mankind could not suddenly be burdened with all the spiritual
tasks at the start of Creation. These were to be added as mankind awakened
further. We can see this before Jesus departs:
"I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear.
When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will
lead you into ALL the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he
will speak of what he hears, and will tell you of things to come.", John
16:12-13 NT
So, when the "Spirit" comes the whole Truth would be told. This should tell
us 2 things.
1.) At the time when Jesus was there, preaching the Gospel and also when he
left, mankind (and nowaday Christians following the bible alone) do NOT have
the complete Truth as they were not ready to bear its burden then.
2.) When the "Spirit" (Muhammad) comes to teach ALL the Truth, that is it.
There will be no more prophets. The spiritual teaching "ends". Mankind has
been given ALL it needs in order to wake up to reality and return to Eden
awakened and submitted to God, through a NOW COMPLETE set of teachings.
Many will say, but 5 times a day is too much a burden. This is WHY Jesus
never taught this before. Because mankind just was not ready for this.
They could not take on this burden. Even today, we find the same thing.
People, due to their ties to this world, can not handle the burden of the
self-sacrifice of praying 5 times a day. And they are the ones that remain
asleep as they do not have the spiritual strength to wake up.
Also, I'd like to re-look at this passage:
"I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear.
When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will
lead you into ALL the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he
will speak of what he hears, and will tell you of things to come.", John
16:12-13 NT
The "Spirit" here is not the Holy Spirit, it's a man. It is obviously not
talking about the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit was already with
Jesus. So to say "when the spirit comes" would make no sense what so ever
as "it" was already there! Lets analyse further, it says "He" will not
"speak" on his own authority, but he will speak of what he "hears". These
are physical senses of man, not a spirit and definately NOT the Holy Spirit.
Furthermore, the original texts of the bible refer to the "Comforter" which,
when taken back to the original hebrew is translated as "Ahmed". Ahmed, not
conincidentally is the name of Prophet Muhammad, so there can be no mistake
about who the "Spirit" is. Also, we know that Prophet Muhammad (sal), spoke
only what Archangel Gabriel told him to speak - thus making the verses in
the Qur'an. Which is a perfect match to the above description. And
finally, we can see from the teachings themselves that they are from God and
not man-made.
Anyway, that's the end of where I want to take you. It is something to
ponder upon. This should hopefully show you the logic behind following the
latest, and final God given, religion, Islam. And this is not only because
of it being most recent, but because it contains the WHOLE truth which no
preceding teaching does as mankind was not ready yet. So to follow any
without this one would be a mistake as it would not allow you to reach a
high spiritual level or complete submission to The God (Allah). And
finally, also, because, as far as I can tell it has not been corrupted,
unlike other named-religions.
If all the teachings of the Qur'an resided in the bible I would use the
bible to teach you. Much like I do now for many Christians. I tell them
but Jesus says you should do so and so. I don't say to them, but the Qur'an
or Muhammad says you should do such and such.
What is important to "me" is that mankind follows the True Teachings of God,
regardless of the name of the religion (as there was no name in the first
place) or where it is found. As long as it belongs to God, it is fine.
So, find the True teachings and submit to them and you'll enter paradise. I
just find it easier and most accurate in the teachings of Islam.
I hope this makes sense, questions welcome.
May Allah guide you all to the True teachings wherever you find them.
God is One...
So, The Truth is One...
Therefore, All Prophets and Messengers must have taught One teaching; One
Way; One Religion; the Religion of Nature...(a nameless religion)
The important point to realise here is that there is only logically One
teaching for ALL mankind. There's no reason for God to teach one thing to
one people and another to others. You wouldn't teach one child to miss
breakfast, whilst the other you preach its importance. Nor would God teach
one people to eat pork and another not to. This is important to bare in
mind. God is Just, and would NOT teach a different message with a different
set of guidelines to different nations/generations/peoples.
This purified teaching from The God (when I say "The God", I mean The
Creator in the singular and not any undivine man-made idols), brought to us
through His Prophets and Messengers, was to guide mankind out of ignorance
and sin, and to help return them to the Garden of Eden (paradise) awakened,
consciously submitting to The God, purified and cleansed.
This purified teaching never came with a name, such as Budhism, Christianity
or Judaism - these were names ascribed to the purified teachings brought to
us by the Messengers and Prophets of The God.
Submission to The God and earning a place in the Eden requires man to live
in the Right Way, submitting to the Divine Will. The way to do this is to
sacrifice the desires of the self/ego in order to follow the laws and
statutes (guidance) of The God. Thus realigning our-selves/will with the
Divine Will of God Almighty.
Finding the True Laws
So, we know how to get to paradise. We just need to know how to find the
True Laws, which teach us the Right Way to live. If we only have a subset
of the laws with which to follow, then quite logically, we can never attain
true submission to God and won't enter paradise.
The thing is there are many named religions out there, many of which embody
a varying percentage of the True laws/teachings of The God (which
incidentally is exactly what Allah means in arabic). If each of these
man-named religions such as Budhism, Hinduism, Judaism and Christianity.
still had their original teachings (in a book where appropriate) and
untouched by the corrupt authorities, then we would see that the teachings
of these divine guides were all the same*. (i'll explain the * a little
later).
However, as we are finding out slowly, none of these man-named religions are
untainted by man. Christianity has entered idolatory by treating Jesus as a
god (or part of god, or god incarnate), none of the original hebrew texts
remain, only a corrupted greek version. Budhism too has raised Budha to a
god status and their followers now worship him as such. The recent
discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls would clear up many mistakes in the Old
Testament, but the rabbi's refuse to make any more changes to the Old
Testament. The original vedic books can no longer be traced back to any
origin to be authenticated....
The point being, why even bother with these? If the Message is the same,
why not just take the latest version, which lies with Prophet Muhammad??
Like you would any document you were picking up from a computer, you
wouldn't pick up an old revision and start to work from that would you? The
Qur'an is the latest "version" and contains amendments to where the past
books of God have been corrupted. And God has promised this time that He
will protect this book from corruption. This is significant seeing as this
is the Final Messenger/Prophet, bringing the "whole truth", as prophesised
by Jesus. This is not to say people cannot deliberately misinterpret the
book in different languages. But, all muslims, will maintain that the
original arabic Qur'an exists today in the same form that it did 1400 years
ago. Unlike, where any Christian will tell you, many versions of the bible
exist. History will prove this, much like history will prove that the
Qur'an remains unchanged. This is why all muslims are recommended to learn
arabic so that no-one can deliberately misinterpret through languages.
However, this is not to say each man-named religion is totally wrong. They
have just been corrupted. Truth still lies within each one, but to a
varying degree. The only one that I can personally trust, after researching
if the Qur'an has been changed or not, is the teachings in the Qur'an. And
following that is the traditions which explain the actions/teachings of
those who embodied the message. These are much the same as the biblical
gospels which speak of the action and teachings of Jesus (peace be upon
him). Infact, out of all prophets mentioned in the Qur'an, Jesus is
mentioned the most. Anyway, that's a side note. But this is why people who
are ignorant to the reality of the situation will claim that all religions
are the same, they all teach one to be good to another or not to steal etc.
This is because these parts haven't been corrupted and remain untainted in
each of the man-named religions.
The "Spirit" in the bible
When i said before that all teachings were the same* for all prophets and
messengers, this is true... However, the extent to which they would have
gone into the details and intricacies may have varied. This is because
mankind as a whole could not handle such a burden so early in it's
progression towards awakenedness. Much like you can not just make a baby
run at birth. Mankind could not suddenly be burdened with all the spiritual
tasks at the start of Creation. These were to be added as mankind awakened
further. We can see this before Jesus departs:
"I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear.
When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will
lead you into ALL the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he
will speak of what he hears, and will tell you of things to come.", John
16:12-13 NT
So, when the "Spirit" comes the whole Truth would be told. This should tell
us 2 things.
1.) At the time when Jesus was there, preaching the Gospel and also when he
left, mankind (and nowaday Christians following the bible alone) do NOT have
the complete Truth as they were not ready to bear its burden then.
2.) When the "Spirit" (Muhammad) comes to teach ALL the Truth, that is it.
There will be no more prophets. The spiritual teaching "ends". Mankind has
been given ALL it needs in order to wake up to reality and return to Eden
awakened and submitted to God, through a NOW COMPLETE set of teachings.
Many will say, but 5 times a day is too much a burden. This is WHY Jesus
never taught this before. Because mankind just was not ready for this.
They could not take on this burden. Even today, we find the same thing.
People, due to their ties to this world, can not handle the burden of the
self-sacrifice of praying 5 times a day. And they are the ones that remain
asleep as they do not have the spiritual strength to wake up.
Also, I'd like to re-look at this passage:
"I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear.
When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will
lead you into ALL the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he
will speak of what he hears, and will tell you of things to come.", John
16:12-13 NT
The "Spirit" here is not the Holy Spirit, it's a man. It is obviously not
talking about the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit was already with
Jesus. So to say "when the spirit comes" would make no sense what so ever
as "it" was already there! Lets analyse further, it says "He" will not
"speak" on his own authority, but he will speak of what he "hears". These
are physical senses of man, not a spirit and definately NOT the Holy Spirit.
Furthermore, the original texts of the bible refer to the "Comforter" which,
when taken back to the original hebrew is translated as "Ahmed". Ahmed, not
conincidentally is the name of Prophet Muhammad, so there can be no mistake
about who the "Spirit" is. Also, we know that Prophet Muhammad (sal), spoke
only what Archangel Gabriel told him to speak - thus making the verses in
the Qur'an. Which is a perfect match to the above description. And
finally, we can see from the teachings themselves that they are from God and
not man-made.
Anyway, that's the end of where I want to take you. It is something to
ponder upon. This should hopefully show you the logic behind following the
latest, and final God given, religion, Islam. And this is not only because
of it being most recent, but because it contains the WHOLE truth which no
preceding teaching does as mankind was not ready yet. So to follow any
without this one would be a mistake as it would not allow you to reach a
high spiritual level or complete submission to The God (Allah). And
finally, also, because, as far as I can tell it has not been corrupted,
unlike other named-religions.
If all the teachings of the Qur'an resided in the bible I would use the
bible to teach you. Much like I do now for many Christians. I tell them
but Jesus says you should do so and so. I don't say to them, but the Qur'an
or Muhammad says you should do such and such.
What is important to "me" is that mankind follows the True Teachings of God,
regardless of the name of the religion (as there was no name in the first
place) or where it is found. As long as it belongs to God, it is fine.
So, find the True teachings and submit to them and you'll enter paradise. I
just find it easier and most accurate in the teachings of Islam.
I hope this makes sense, questions welcome.
May Allah guide you all to the True teachings wherever you find them.
. It strikes me more as proof-texting of Paul's statements to create a boogey-man, and that's why I went ahead and posted. I think that they've been misinformed on his teaching (there are objectively false interpretations just as readily as there are true ones).