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Gilly said:I just learned that Islam reconizes Jesus, But what do you believe about his ressurection? I'm just looking for a simple answer, I'm just curious. thank you in advance..
"Thus, from the very initial premise of this Sura, we have a confirmation that this Sura is referring to Jesus"
how on earth do you refer to your Bible to explain to me what my religious book says
first of all if I believe that your Bible ( tha you have in your hands in present days) is the word of God then I wouldn't be a Moslem so you CAN NOT refer to it to explain anything
secondly
if I believe that Jesus PBUH fulfills all this I wouldn't be a Moslem
read my article about Jesus PBUH to know more about Jesus in Islam be4 arguing
you can also read my brothers' article (shield of Islam)( brother in Islam)
on what we believe about Jesus PBUH
then you can argue from our own speach if you can....... I doubt it
DON'T argue anymore in this forum start a new thread in the debates forum and we'll be happy to argue there
1) One who comes at night…
But know this, that if the housemaster had known in what watch the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be dug through. Because of this, you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes. (Mat 24:43-44)
But know this, that if the house-master had known the hour the thief is coming, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be dug through. And you, then, be ready; for in the hour you think not, the Son of Man comes. (Luke 12:39-40)
For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes. For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief. (1 Th 5:2-4)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with rushing sound, and having burned the elements will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be burned up. (2Pe 3:10)
Then remember how you received and heard, and keep, and repent. If, then, you do not watch, I will come upon you like a thief and you will not at all know what hour I come upon you. (Rev 3:3)
Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one watching and keeping his garments, that he does not walk naked, and they may see his shame. (Rev 16:15)
2) One who knocks…
Behold, I stand at the door and knock: If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me. (Rev 3:20)
3) Morning Star…
And I will give to him the Morning Star. (Rev 2:28 )
I, Jesus, sent My angel to testify these things to you over the assemblies. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright and morning Star. (Rev 22:16)
Jesus completely fulfills all of these requirements…
Thus, from the very initial premise of this Sura, we have a confirmation that this Sura is referring to Jesus.
6) Ayah 3 describes “alttariqi” as a rising star/planet having piercing brightness
In whom the god of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so that the brightness of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. (2Co 4:4)
Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Isa. 42:6, 7, 16 (2Co 4:6)
And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4 (2Th 2:8 )
Because of this, He says, Arise, sleeping ones and stand up out of the dead ones, and Christ will shine on you. (Eph 5:14)
Sure I deny something, but definitely not what my Qu'ran states as you claimed
I deny the usage of a book that I don't believe to be true in the explanation
you see !!
you're using the Bible to prove that Jesus fulfills what the Quran says
but does the Qu'ran say Jesus PBUH or Essa any where in that Sura ?? off course not because it's talking about GOD Allah not Jesus PBUH
This is the translation from Yusuf Ali.
Now this is a lot easier to read for everyone.
Now, can you please respond to the verses I posted in my previous reply?
The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible…at least, the authors of the Koran thought so…
unless, of course, you are willing to concede that Allah was Crucified…
I'm sorry to tell you that you know absolutly nothing about the Qu'ran
who said that the Bible is the sourse of the Holy Qu'ran ?????
I dare you to get one Moslem that say that
where does the Sura talk about crucifixion
maybe I should learn my original language again to see that lol
The Koran…
I dare you to get one Moslem that say that
Done...
86:4 إِنْ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ لَمَّا عَلَيْهَا حَافِظٌ
In kullu nafsin lamma AAalayha hafithun
That truly all/everyone soul/spirit/punishment/blood to gather on it a protector/safe keeper.
86:5 فَلْيَنظُرْ الْإِنسَنُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ
Falyanthuri al-insanu mimma khuliqa
So the human/mankind has an intimate connection should expect/consecrate from that which he was created.
86:6 خُلِقَ مِنْ مَاءٍ دَافِقٍ
Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin
He was created from water pouring/jetting/flowing forcefully.
86:7 يَخْرُجُ مِنْ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ
Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi
He comes out/emerges/appears from between the backbone/loins/spine and the breast bone/rib bones.
The reason why I and DontFearMe quote A. Yusuf Ali is that his interpretation is one of the most respected ones, although according to Muslims, no translation/interpretation can be equal to the Arabic text of the Qur'an.
Is your interpretation yours only, or whom do you quote? That would be really interesting to know.
It should be obvious that interpreting one holy book using another holy book can only be misleading, especially as your interpretation contradicts the very words of the Qur'an, for example in 4:157.
I agree with you in one thing only. The texts should preferably be studied in their original languages. For OT studies, I use the Hebrew text, aided by several Bible translations into many languages. For the NT, I read my many Bibles and compare them to a parallell version in Latin and Greek. When I read the Qur'an, I use the Arabic text but compare my impression with several translations into (currently) three other languages, even if some of them are made by Christians out to show that the Qur'an is erroneous. Not even those hint at something like your version.
Your statement "The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible at least, the authors of the Koran thought so " is a misunderstanding as well. The Muslim view is that all the three Abrahamic religions were given the Qur'an, but the Jews and Christians distorted it.
DontFearMe quoted the Qur'an 40.20 against the statement that Jesus will judge the Dead. I agree, and add that according to Surat-ul-Fatihah, God is the "Master of the day of Judgment". Nobody ever suggested that God would need assistance in this process.