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contradictions in the bible???

I have never made a mention that God made commandment concerning Polygamy, but He has concerning fornication...

And He says that to avoid fornication...

The Mormon's have commandment concerning polygamy that God never said, nor made mention of concerning believer's. The text in the D and C even goes so far to say that ownership of virgins and wives is the will of God, if we consider it scripture. Ownership is (Ba'al) and I cannot and will not consider God's support of an idol God in His Word.
 

Autodidact

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I have never made a mention that God made commandment concerning Polygamy, but He has concerning fornication...

And He says that to avoid fornication...
Right. Fornication: no. Polygamy: O.K. Christianity permits polygamy.

The Mormon's have commandment concerning polygamy that God never said, nor made mention of concerning believer's. The text in the D and C even goes so far to say that ownership of virgins and wives is the will of God, if we consider it scripture. Ownership is (Ba'al) and I cannot and will not consider God's support of an idol God in His Word.
OT. Not really interested in the Mormon position here, but in the Christian position.
 
No... Christianity does not condemn anything. We are talking about God.

There is no command concerning prostitution, or porn, but they are lusts of the flesh. And adhering to the anti-fornication doctrine, One wife/one husband is a willful submission. A return to the garden by accepting the truth in regards to walking in the fulness of the Spirit, with our whole heart, like all the other prophets, priests and kings.

Polygamy is contrary to the character of God. The only command in the OT with polygamy in mind is: "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away..." The word multiply means to make many... which relates to being plural which is more than one. It is not the sole definition, but the OT makes a point of reiterating those who had "two wives." This commandment is written in regards to kings. With God there is no respect of persons, so what's justified for the king, or Abraham, becomes justified for the least of all the servants of His kingdom.

The condition of having two wives seems to lead to more in the OT even concerning David, who was after God's heart. It also contributed to sibling rivalries that ended in division of the kingdom and it's allegiance. So it's no surprise the Spirit would illustrate fornication as a result of polygamy, this by no means calls it commandment, or law, but shows that the better fruit is in the kings fruit bowl, so we should live like the king of kings and have one bride.

This is not to be confused with the law, or commandment concerning polygamy, but the Spirit witnesses for itself that it is a detriment to walking before God with a perfect heart, so it is of the flesh. Just as Jesus intensified adultery in His sermon on the mount, "That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

The Christian position is that we are a royal priesthood, heirs to the king, therefore the kings law is kept by the Christ in us.
 

MEMNOCK

Spiritual Tour Guide
Speaking from personal experience and from someone who knows the bible inside and out. Trying to prove the bible isn't full of predictions is completly futile. In truth, due to the numorous revisions and translations it is an imposibility to take everything in the bible as truth. The path to true enlightenment is found in the meanings still hidden and obscured within its pages.
 
Speaking from personal experience and from someone who knows the bible inside and out. Trying to prove the bible isn't full of predictions is completly futile. In truth, due to the numorous revisions and translations it is an imposibility to take everything in the bible as truth. The path to true enlightenment is found in the meanings still hidden and obscured within its pages.

If you believe God is true and perfect then you will justify Him in everything. Then the Father and the Son, every passage, even those that the enemy of God would like to throw in doubt are harmonious.
 

MEMNOCK

Spiritual Tour Guide
If you believe God is true and perfect then you will justify Him in everything. Then the Father and the Son, every passage, even those that the enemy of God would like to throw in doubt are harmonious.

OK, goodluck with that. I know God is true and perfect. Notice I am saying God, not the bible. If you have only read the english translation of the bible, then you don't even know what I am talking about. But again, what you believe is of no importance to me. So if living with your understanding of God makes you happy, then it is good for you. We are not all at the same place along the path.
 
OK, goodluck with that. I know God is true and perfect. Notice I am saying God, not the bible. If you have only read the english translation of the bible, then you don't even know what I am talking about. But again, what you believe is of no importance to me. So if living with your understanding of God makes you happy, then it is good for you. We are not all at the same place along the path.

Your first statement is Truth. Your second is troublesome. The path= I agree totally.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
zoe_and_vic said:
If you believe God is true and perfect then you will justify Him in everything. Then the Father and the Son, every passage, even those that the enemy of God would like to throw in doubt are harmonious.
If you seriously believe God to be perfect and that he is both Father and Son, and everything else, then he is a paradox of everything, which means God is also both male and female, black and white, short and tall, fat and skinny, beautiful and deformed, wise and fool, creator and destroyer, God and Satan, etc.

For God to be everything and truly perfect then he must be ultimate good and ultimate evil being. There's no middle ground. A god with multiple personality and extreme personae.

You can't introduce 1 paradox, and think that all other paradoxes are not true. So there lies the flaws in your perfect god.
 
The flaw is in the argument that God is in everything else. But He does control everything, He is in every person, He created everything, and He is currently reigning!

God is Spirit, God is Word, and God came in the Flesh.

God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit. Operating at all times at once. Hence, it is always now for God. The hardest thing for me to resolve, even believing all of His Word is how an omniscient, omnipresent God could remember my sins no more. Once He revealed that doozy I could grasp other truths that were simpler, but I had missed.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
The flaw is in the argument that God is in everything else. But He does control everything, He is in every person, He created everything, and He is currently reigning!

God is Spirit, God is Word, and God came in the Flesh.

God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit. Operating at all times at once. Hence, it is always now for God. The hardest thing for me to resolve, even believing all of His Word is how an omniscient, omnipresent God could remember my sins no more. Once He revealed that doozy I could grasp other truths that were simpler, but I had missed.


There is no god, in me or anywhere else.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
No... Christianity does not condemn anything. We are talking about God.
O.K., according to Christianity, God permits polygamy.

There is no command concerning prostitution, or porn, but they are lusts of the flesh.
Well, according to the Bible, which is where many Christians claim to learn what God wants of them, fornication is prohibited. Fornication means sex outside of marriage, so unless you're married to the prostitute in question, that would be prohibited. But polygamy is NOT sex outside of marriage, and is not fornication, so is permitted.
And adhering to the anti-fornication doctrine, One wife/one husband is a willful submission.
To what? Nowhere in the Bible does it say one wife/one husband. You just made that up. In fact, the Bible specifically regulates polygamy, assuming that it is permissible.
Polygamy is contrary to the character of God.
How do you know? What do you mean? Is God married? How many wives does He have? How do you know?
The only command in the OT with polygamy in mind is: "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away..."
Are you referring to Exodus 21:10 (NIV) If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights... That is, (this is in a passage regulating slavery, also permitted in both testaments.) This passage obviously permits polygamy, and tells what should happen if a man chooses this option.
The word multiply means to make many... which relates to being plural which is more than one. It is not the sole definition, but the OT makes a point of reiterating those who had "two wives." This commandment is written in regards to kings.
like King David (8 wives), King Solomon (700 wives) or some other Kings?
With God there is no respect of persons, so what's justified for the king, or Abraham, becomes justified for the least of all the servants of His kingdom.
As well as Abraham, who had two wives. So polygamy is permitted, right? (At this point a simple yes or no answer would help.)

The condition of having two wives seems to lead to more in the OT even concerning David, who was after God's heart. It also contributed to sibling rivalries that ended in division of the kingdom and it's allegiance. So it's no surprise the Spirit would illustrate fornication as a result of polygamy, this by no means calls it commandment, or law, but shows that the better fruit is in the kings fruit bowl, so we should live like the king of kings and have one bride.
Jesus had a bride?!? Tell me more.
The Christian position is that we are a royal priesthood, heirs to the king, therefore the kings law is kept by the Christ in us.
And Kings get to have many wives, right?
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
Anybody feel like addressing my post?

Abraham, Jacob, David......

All had multiple wives and concubines.

Let me guess, they were all fornicating? :rolleyes:


Plural marriages were allowed in the OT. but when Christ became flesh and dwelt among us. The law was changed, it says so in the book hebrews!
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
Btw. It's impossible to fornicate if one is married.


MATTHEW 19:9

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."


SOLA'LOR you are misled! IT EXPLICITLY STATES IN MAT 19:9 "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication" ....

Fornication obviously was done while inside the marriage. Sola'lor you wil mislead many, That is evil!:(
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Btw. It's impossible to fornicate if one is married.

MATTHEW 19:9

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."


SOLA'LOR you are misled! IT EXPLICITLY STATES IN MAT 19:9 "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication" ....

Fornication obviously was done while inside the marriage. Sola'lor you wil mislead many, That is evil!:(
Here it seems that you are using the current definition of fornicate instead of turning to the Bible and seeing/understanding how the Bible defines fornication:
Fornication
FORNICA'TION, n. [L. fornicatio.]
1. The incontinence or lewdness of unmarried persons, male or female; also, the criminal conversation of a married man with an unmarried woman.

2. Adultery. Mat 5.

3. Incest. 1 Cor 5.

4. Idolatry; a forsaking of the true God, and worshipping of idols. 2 Chr 21. Rev 19.

Source:
Websters 1828 Dictionary

 

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
Please forgive me if this has been answered, as I am jumping in without reviewing the whole thread.

How did Judas die?

No they haven't answered this yet. Along with all the other contridictiuons I posted. Apparently they believe the Bible to be perfect because they ignore contradictions.


From dictionary.com
for·ni·ca·tion –n
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oun

1.voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.


a·dul·ter·y –n
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oun

voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

Sorry, uss_bigd but when I learned English fornication meant sex between two unmarried people.

So if that means I am mislead and will mislead many and do evil. I guess my dictionary mislead me.:sarcastic It's not the first time I've read a word and gotten a different meaning out of it than other uses. But I'm sure that happens all the time. If it didn;t then no one would have trouble expressing themselves.
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
Sorry, uss_bigd but when I learned English fornication meant sex between two unmarried people.

YOU HAVE YET TO LEARN READING COMPREHENSION THEN!



So if that means I am mislead and will mislead many and do evil. I guess my dictionary mislead me.:sarcastic It's not the first time I've read a word and gotten a different meaning out of it than other uses. But I'm sure that happens all the time. If it didn;t then no one would have trouble expressing themselves.

YOUR POOR READING COMPREHENSION MISLEADS YOU!

you are not biblical, I am fine with the fact that you base your conclusionS on extrabiblical references. you can just say you are not biblical then were good.

Mat 19:9

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."


OPEN YOUR EYES;

THE VERSE ABOVE SAID A PERSON WHO DIVORCES HIS WIFE COMMITS ADULTERY, EXCEPT FOR FORNICATION.

DIVORCE OFCOURSE SHOULD BE DONE DURING MARRIAGE, IT SAYS THE VALID REASON FOR DIVORCE IS FORNICATION. THEREFORE FORNICATION BIBLICALLY SPEAKING CAN BE DONE DURING THE MARRIAGE.

YOU SHOULD FEEL INSULTED I EXPLAINED IT LIKE THIS YOU KNOW?:D
 
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