The Bible Perfect

I have a question I've been confsed about. How can anybody really believe the Bible is prefect? Is there anybody who really believe it was written by God? Or that is it the only word of God on the Earth? Can and does anybody really believe this? If so, How do you reconcile it with what has historically happened to form the Bible.

I just don't get it. For me I believe it is the word of God as written by prophets and them passed down through generations and translations and summaries. I don't believe it's perfect but I believe it's the best we have. Of course I also don't believe it's the only word of God.

If you don't believe in the Bible, why are you are Christian?

Where did you get your information to base your decision to call yourself a Christian (I'm assuming your title is correct)?

Peace be with you,
S

" There can't be your truth, or my truth, but only the truth."

"The questions is how much do we know about it" and what matters is "getting the Right viewpoint" :yes:


-Michel07:angel2:

Scott1 said:

If you don't believe in the Bible, why are you are Christian?

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I said I do believe the Bible. I just said that I don't believe it's perfect or the only word of God. Is it required that a person believe the Bible is perfect to be Christian?

What I was asking is how do people reconcile the belief with the Bible be perfect knowing what we dow about the proccess by which we got the currenct version(s) of the Bible.

Where did you get your information to base your decision to call yourself a Christian (I'm assuming your title is correct)?

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From my belief in Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the world.

Sola'lor said:

I said I do believe the Bible. I just said that I don't believe it's perfect or the only word of God. Is it required that a person believe the Bible is perfect to be Christian?

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why would you want to believe that the bible is not perfect? ask yourself. let your conscience answer.

Sola'lor said:

What I was asking is how do people reconcile the belief with the Bible be perfect knowing what we dow about the proccess by which we got the currenct version(s) of the Bible.
From my belief in Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the world.

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Don't let the world fool you, if you believe i the almighty God he will leave a beacon of light to be able to save you. That is the bible

Sola'lor said:

I said I do believe the Bible. I just said that I don't believe it's perfect or the only word of God. Is it required that a person believe the Bible is perfect to be Christian?

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Why would you believe in a book filled with errors?

What I was asking is how do people reconcile the belief with the Bible be perfect knowing what we dow about the proccess by which we got the currenct version(s) of the Bible.

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I don't know why people would be Protestant knowing the "proccess", but I can't imagine what that might do with me or those in the Orthodox faith....???

From my belief in Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the world.

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What if the part of the Bible that proclaimed Jesus as Savior is the part that is "not perfect"?

Scott1 said:

Why would you believe in a book filled with errors?

What if the part of the Bible that proclaimed Jesus as Savior is the part that is "not perfect"?

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:yes::yes:

uss_bigd said:

why would you want to believe that the bible is not perfect? ask yourself. let your conscience answer.

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Want to? It's not that I want to, it's just ghistorical fact. Translators and transcribers make errors. I wish the Bible was perfect. Better yet I was we had all the original writings of the Prophets in their original languages and we could understamd those languages perfectly.

Don't let the world fool you, if you believe i the almighty God he will leave a beacon of light to be able to save you. That is the bible

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Don't let the world fool me? What are you talking about? All I'm asking is people to explain to me how they can believe the Bible to be perfect when we know that human beings who wrote, translated, compiled, revised, etc. the Bible, make errors. I never said I don't believe the bible. All I'm saying is that I don't believe it to be an exact word for word copy of the original books that were written by prophets. I don't understand how somebody can believe it to be that or even further believe it to be written by God.

Why would you believe in a book filled with errors?

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Because I believe it is the most commonly accepted book for what is as close to the writings of ancient prophets that we have. It's just a fact of life that it is imperfect. I'm just askin people to explain to me how they reconcile their beliefs that it is perfect with what we know of how the Bible was compiled.

I don't know why people would be Protestant knowing the "proccess", but I can't imagine what that might do with me or those in the Orthodox faith....???

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Sorry I quess I don't know enough about Protestants or Orthodox to understand what you are saying.

What if the part of the Bible that proclaimed Jesus as Savior is the part that is "not perfect"?

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Well then we're all in for trouble aren't we. But since I don't believe that then there's no problem with that for me.

I just don't believe the bible is word for word what the original prophets wrote. Therefore it's not prefect.

Maybe we all need to have a little history lesson.

good question ,imagine being brought up without religion and then given the bible and reading it , then i tell you its all true. i often question why people take this at face value. its interesting that people will rarely give you a straight answer for why they beleive it ,but often justify thier beliefs with quotes from the very book you are questioning.

its the same with all "holy" books

Sola'lor said:

Maybe we all need to have a little history lesson.

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Or we all need a Church that has been around for 2,000 years and actually decided which books were going in the Bible and has continued to be guided by the Holy Spirit even today.

Hmmm... I wonder which one that is.

Scott1 said:

Or we all need a Church that has been around for 2,000 years and actually decided which books were going in the Bible and has continued to be guided by the Holy Spirit even today.

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And that opposes the organizational structure and doctrines that Christ established. It seems to me that if the church is the same as what Christ established it should atleast be in the realm of what Christ established structurally and doctrinally.

Not to mention you're implying this curch opposes history.

Hmmm... I wonder which one that is.

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But since you don't know which church I'm referring to above there's not much more point in continuing this line of discussion.

Sola'lor said:

And that opposes the organizational structure and doctrines that Christ established.

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Seems funny that the only reason you know that or anything about Christ is because of the "organizational structure and doctrines" that apparently Christ didn't want... funny how that worked out, huh?

Scott1 said:

Seems funny that the only reason you know that or anything about Christ is because of the "organizational structure and doctrines" that apparently Christ didn't want... funny how that worked out, huh?

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What do you mean?

Sola'lor said:

What do you mean?

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That without the "organizational structure and doctrines" of the early Church there would have been no Bible... no Trinity/divinity of Christ etc. (or at least they would be one of hundreds along with the Arians and others)... and you and modern Protestants like you would have no Bible at all to quote from.... but yet all of you seem to spit in the face of the organization that allowed the early Church to flourish in the face of tremendous persecution and doctrinal divisions and over several centuries came to some limited agreement on the canon of Scripture. These things stayed the same for the most part for 1500 YEARS..... but now most Protestants believe divine revelation has been trapped inside their personal bibles for 2,000 years which waited for them and them alone to decipher the truth!

I'm not saying everyone should convert to one of the ancient faiths, but come on, study some history and give credit where credit is due.

Scott1 said:

That without the "organizational structure and doctrines" of the early Church there would have been no Bible... no Trinity/divinity of Christ etc. (or at least they would be one of hundreds along with the Arians and others)... and you and modern Protestants like you would have no Bible at all to quote from.... but yet all of you seem to spit in the face of the organization that allowed the early Church to flourish in the face of tremendous persecution and doctrinal divisions and over several centuries came to some limited agreement on the canon of Scripture. These things stayed the same for the most part for 1500 YEARS..... but now most Protestants believe divine revelation has been trapped inside their personal bibles for 2,000 years which waited for them and them alone to decipher the truth!

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I'm a Protestant? I thought I was a Restorationist. And this exactly agrees with what I'm saying. That interpretation, translation, compilation is not dependent upon a church being the true Church. Thus the Bible is what that church agreed it to be.

BUt my religious belief isn't dependent upon the Bible. It's not dependednt upon the Book fo zmormon. It's not dependent upon the words of previous prophets in our time. Those are all very good an IMPORTANT supports and ways that we can learn of God and read what He has told past generations. But what is important to me is what God's living prophet tells us today. But I'm not trying to undermine the importance of the Bible.

But my question still stands how is it possible for an intelligent person to believe the Bible is perfect? I've asked this question so many times now. Will somebody who believes this please answer me.

I'm not saying everyone should convert to one of the ancient faiths, but come on, study some history and give credit where credit is due.

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I have no problem with giving that church credit for compiling the Bible.

If the bible were perfect, there wouldn't be umpteen thousand different denominations. There would only be one exact, clear and concise interpretation where it rationally explains its own contents so everything is perfectly understood. But as it is now...

Father Heathen said:

If the bible were perfect, there wouldn't be umpteen thousand different denominations. There would only be one exact, clear and concise interpretation where it rationally explains its own contents so everything is perfectly understood. But as it is now...

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There are pastors who does not teach what the bible says for their own benefit, that is why there are thousands of denominations.

Not everyone wanted to teach the real Christ. It was forewanrned, almost by every biblica prophet and apostle.

1. Isaiah 44:25
   who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,
2. Jeremiah 14:14
   Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
3. Jeremiah 23:16
   This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
4. Jeremiah 23:33
   [ False Oracles and False Prophets ] "When these people, or a prophet or a priest, ask you, 'What is the oracle of the LORD ?' say to them, 'What oracle? I will forsake you, declares the LORD.'
5. Jeremiah 28:1
   [ The False Prophet Hananiah ] In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of the LORD in the presence of the priests and all the people:
6. Jeremiah 50:36
   A sword against her false prophets! They will become fools. A sword against her warriors! They will be filled with terror.
7. Lamentations 2:14
   The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The oracles they gave you were false and misleading.
8. Ezekiel 13:1
   [ False Prophets Condemned ] The word of the LORD came to me:
   
9. Ezekiel 13:9
   My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
10. Ezekiel 22:28
    Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says'-when the LORD has not spoken.
11. Micah 2:6
    [ False Prophets ] "Do not prophesy," their prophets say. "Do not prophesy about these things; disgrace will not overtake us."
12. Matthew 7:15
    [ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
13. Matthew 24:11
    and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    
14. Matthew 24:24
    For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
15. Mark 13:22
    For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.
    
16. Luke 6:26
    Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
17. Acts 13:6
    They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,
18. 2 Peter 2:1
    [ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
19. 1 John 4:1
    [ Test the Spirits ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
20. Revelation 16:13
    Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
21. Revelation 19:20
    But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
22. Revelation 20:10
    And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Sola'lor said:

I just don't believe the bible is word for word what the original prophets wrote. Therefore it's not prefect.

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I've thoroughly been through the Joseph Smith translation and compared it with the King James, it's ridiculous how much is missing and in error, but stil, the King James is about 95 percent intact, but that small percentage, which is missing and incorrect, can change the whole meaning of s particular passage or sentence, from what Christ originally intended to say.

Most of what's missing is in the footnotes of the LDS edition of the King James (See JST footnotes in the LDS edition of the King James Bible) The rest is found in the Book of Moses, which is the missing and corrected pages of Genesis.

For a full side by side comparison of the JST and the King James you can go to DeseretBook.com and do a search using key words such as Joseph Smith translation.

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Is the Bible perfect or inerrant? Definitely not, at least as translated into English or any other modern language. As noted, translators and transcribers make errors, and so even the most conservative biblical scholars generally only claim inerrancy for the original manuscripts. But I think it's perfect enough for all practical and divine purposes, and much more perfect than any other document of such antiquity.

So no, I don't believe the Bible is perfect, at least not in the sense of containing zero errors. But I believe this:

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (New Living Translation)

New Living Translation (NLT)Holy Bible. New Living Translation copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers.


15 You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

Izdaari said:

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Is the Bible perfect or inerrant? Definitely not, at least as translated into English or any other modern language. As noted, translators and transcribers make errors, and so even the most conservative biblical scholars generally only claim inerrancy for the original manuscripts. But I think it's perfect enough for all practical and divine purposes, and much more perfect than any other document of such antiquity.

So no, I don't believe the Bible is perfect, at least not in the sense of containing zero errors. But I believe this:

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (New Living Translation)

New Living Translation (NLT)Holy Bible. New Living Translation copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers.


15 You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

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well said...