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Third-graders attempt to murder their teacher

Mr. Hair

Renegade Cavalcade
Cops: Third-graders arrested in teacher attack plot - CNN.com

WAYCROSS, Georgia (AP) -- A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning children tasks including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday.
Frankly, I'm in full support of anything that helps get our younglings motivated and aware of how their actions can lead to future responsibilities. Any other thoughts?
 

3.14

Well-Known Member
hang one in middle of a school for a month (bit extreem but he you said anything)
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
What the hell is a third grader?

Well, there are these things called "schools", where things called "children" go to "learn". As they progress, they advance each year up to a different grade. So 3rd grade would be children of average age 8 in their 3rd (or 4th if you count kindergarten) year of elementary school.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Cops: Third-graders arrested in teacher attack plot - CNN.com

Frankly, I'm in full support of anything that helps get our younglings motivated and aware of how their actions can lead to future responsibilities. Any other thoughts?

third grade, so how old are they?
i keep hearing little kids becoming criminals, quite often lately. imo children are productions of society. therefor i would say it is better to find out what's going wrong in society. 11-12 year old kids can't be responsible of their actions. they are just kids. they only do what they see. so who makes them see and learn such stuff and why?

ever heard of the tree that gives poison fruits. some cuts the tree, some cuts the water that feeds the tree. i believe it's wiser to find out and remove or correct what's causing this tragedies.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Do you think Americans are the only people in the world? Not all people speak Americanese.
So we're supposed to be able to translate into how many languages? Just because you didn't know what a third-grader was, was no reason to get all huffy.
 
Thanks Nutshell.

Katz, an age would be more appropriate, i dont know what language you speak, but i speak english.

I know a principal is a headmaster, i have seen Kindergarten Cop enough times to know that.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
11-12 year old kids can't be responsible of their actions.
I completely disagree.
In fact, I will flat out state for the official record that this exact attitude is a MAJOR part of the problem.

they are just kids. they only do what they see.
Just kids?
Only do what they see?
Are you serious?
Spoken like someone who has not been around children much.

Children should be made responsible for their actions.
Especially if they know said actions are wrong.

so who makes them see and learn such stuff and why?
What difference does it make?
honestly, what difference does it make?
Do you think that children are stupid robots who cannot/will not think for themselves?
Who cannot come up with things on their own?
What is the "magic" age when self awareness and knowledge of right and wrong happens?

ever heard of the tree that gives poison fruits. some cuts the tree, some cuts the water that feeds the tree. i believe it's wiser to find out and remove or correct what's causing this tragedies.
So do I.
However, I believe that the perpetrators of a crime stand trial and be made to take responsibility for their crimes.

These children knew what they were doing was wrong, yet they proceeded anyway.
They need to be made to take responsibility for their actions.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
I completely disagree.
In fact, I will flat out state for the official record that this exact attitude is a MAJOR part of the problem.

i know what you mean. i don't treat kids as if they're stupid or they could not understand thoughts. i treat them as the way i treat an adult --except i don't catch and kiss adults-- thinking 'a ten year old would not get it' is not what i am talking about.

Just kids?
Only do what they see?
Are you serious?
Spoken like someone who has not been around children much.

well, yea..i am serious. there are always some trouble kids, no doubt about that. but all the violent movies and example characters, such as murderers, definitely give children an option, like another colour in their hands to use.

Children should be made responsible for their actions.
Especially if they know said actions are wrong.

i guess you thought i believe they are not responsible of their doings. it is probably my bad. we all had a process during our childhood to distinguish between right and wrong and we made mistakes by accident or cos of curiosity. problem i see is that my parents never needed to tell me that that would be wrong if i killed my teacher. today's parents need to mention that. i have no doubt the reason why is media, what children see, any possible action could be done by men. they se it and during that learning process they are trying stuff. maybe they are just curios or they are nasty. what i am saying is you can't blame a little kid for that. that's what kids do. they do mistakes. but they can't be judged as an adult. if these kids were happended to kill their teacher, what court could do to them. send them to jail for lifetime? that is out of question. i am glad they didnot manage to do so.


What difference does it make?
honestly, what difference does it make?
Do you think that children are stupid robots who cannot/will not think for themselves?
Who cannot come up with things on their own?
What is the "magic" age when self awareness and knowledge of right and wrong happens?

no, in fact children are much smarter than both of us.
if a kid do wrong it is acceptable. because they experience to learn themselves. society give them major tools, options, role models..it's not unexpected if a kid pick a model role (say from a movie as it happens a lot) to try out. not just kids. remembering some murders after watching 'natural born killers'

These children knew what they were doing was wrong, yet they proceeded anyway.
They need to be made to take responsibility for their actions.

when a kid tells lie, he knows he is doing something wrong. i believe every kid does it some times. but killing your teacher, well, when i was kid i did not even think of such a thing. because back then, movies were not this violent yet. now in the movies, there are scenes that really looks like real. if a kid did watch Dexter for example, what kind of influence he could get? isn't dexter the guy admirable? you tell me..
 

+Xausted

Well-Known Member
Cops: Third-graders arrested in teacher attack plot - CNN.com

Frankly, I'm in full support of anything that helps get our younglings motivated and aware of how their actions can lead to future responsibilities. Any other thoughts?
The children, ages 8 to 10, were apparently mad at the teacher because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair,
this seems to be a common theme with society . that if someone "says" something you do not like then this give you the right to 'physically' respond with harm. it is madness that i just done get...just look at Columbine and other such tradgies

"Some of the kids said, `We thought they were just kidding,"' Currie said. "Another child was supposed to bring a toy pistol, and he told a detective he didn't bring it because he thought he would get in trouble."
so at least some off them are getting moral training at home.(...sound like an old fart i know, but in 98% of the cases i really do blaim the parents for a lot of kids behaviour)


The purported target is a veteran educator who teaches third-grade students with learning disabilities, including attention deficit disorder, delayed development and hyperactivity, friends and parents said.
this gives the story a different dimension...it doesnt say the degree of disorder and what the actual children present where suffering from. news reports are so biased to just get a sensational headline,
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So we're supposed to be able to translate into how many languages? Just because you didn't know what a third-grader was, was no reason to get all huffy.

I don't think our London friend was getting huffy, Katzpur. He just brought up something that I notice frequently here.
This is an international talkboard even if the majority of posters are Americans. Posters should realize (or "realise" everywhere else in the world) that American social institutions and policies, political and cultural references, colloquialisms, &c will not be universally understood.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I don't think our London friend was getting huffy, Katzpur. He just brought up something that I notice frequently here.
This is an international talkboard even if the majority of posters are Americans. Posters should realize (or "realise" everywhere else in the world) that American social institutions and policies, political and cultural references, colloquialisms, &c will not be universally understood.

Actually, the funny part is that the OP's author is English himself.

I think the addition of "the hell" in Penguin's original response was the part that seemed huffy. That doesn't necessarily warrant the first response he got, but he obviously already felt ticked off.
 
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