madhatter85
Transhumanist
could you elaborate?
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Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?
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DeepShadow
White Crow
The temple ordinance is not in the Book of Mormon.
What is the Hiawatha prophecy, and what does it have to do with the Book of Mormon?
nutshell
Well-Known Member
Maybe he was referring to this: Courtly Lives - Hiawatha
neillien
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Nutshell, Thanks for your usual calm/collective posting.
So, you and I get to God via Christ. And, when we stand before God on that day, will we both be equals in His eyes or will I be lesser because I didnt become a LDS?
DeepShadow
White Crow
God is no respecter of persons. There is one way to God, and that's Christ. If you enter in by the Way, you are equal with anyone else who enters by the Way.
nutshell
Well-Known Member
Please see Deepshadow's post.
neillien
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Can a person find this Way as a biblical Christian even if this person denies the LDS belief system (though he fully understands the LDS belief system).
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
There were no "biblical" Christians among the Savior's Apostles and earliest followers, since the Bible had not yet been compiled. I'm sure that Peter, James and John found the "Way." They understood the gospel of Jesus Christ as well as anyone who has ever lived. I'm not convinced that most Latter-day Saints fully understand their own belief system, but it's a safe bet they understand it far better than someone outside the faith does, and it's a fact that the LDS concept of heaven is far more all-inclusive than the traditional Christian concept is.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Adam , Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc. weren't LDS and they still will be going to the Celestial kingdom. It doesn't matter what religion you are as long as you have:
1. Faith in Jesus Christ.
2. Repent of your sins.
3. Are Baptised by immersion with the priesthood authority.
4. Recieve the Holy Ghost through the priesthood.
5. Follow the commandments to the best you can.
If you have those five things you will be able to eneter the lowest level of the celestial kingdom.
1. Faith in Jesus Christ.
2. Repent of your sins.
3. Are Baptised by immersion with the priesthood authority.
4. Recieve the Holy Ghost through the priesthood.
5. Follow the commandments to the best you can.
If you have those five things you will be able to eneter the lowest level of the celestial kingdom.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
the only problem is the authorty, while some may claim to have authority, most do not. and we LDS already know who has that proper authority.
MEMNOCK
Spiritual Tour Guide
With absolutely no proof of their existance other than the ravings of one man. Who could not retranslate one of the plates a second time because God wouldn't let him.:sarcastic
FFH
Veteran Member
There are "bodies terrestrial, bodies telestial and bodies celestial". God has made them all...
Celestial kingdom ~ Those who accept the Son and the "fullness" of the Father.
Terrestrial kingdom ~ Those who accept the Son but not the "fullness" of the Father.
Telestial kingdom ~ Those who accept neither the Son nor the Father, but deny not the Holy Ghost.
Outer Darkness ~ Those who accept neither the Son nor the Father and who also deny the Holy Ghost. They have "put Christ to an open shame".
This is a very simplistic explanation.
Not many really "fully understand" the restored gospel of Jesus Christ found in the LDS faith and what it can offer them. It's hard to deny or reject something unless you really know.
neillien
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Thanks for your recent responses.
The biblical understanding of righteousness goes back to Abraham. Because he believed God he was righteous.
In the new covenant we are taught that, because of Christ, our righteousness is the same as Abraham's.
We only have to believe and we are righteous.
Do LDS teach that just believing makes one righteous?
I am under the understanding that LDS do not teach this but I wanted to ask. Because if they do not teach it,
this would be a reason why traditional Christians should not pray over/read the Book of Mormon.
The biblical understanding of righteousness goes back to Abraham. Because he believed God he was righteous.
In the new covenant we are taught that, because of Christ, our righteousness is the same as Abraham's.
We only have to believe and we are righteous.
Do LDS teach that just believing makes one righteous?
I am under the understanding that LDS do not teach this but I wanted to ask. Because if they do not teach it,
this would be a reason why traditional Christians should not pray over/read the Book of Mormon.
SoyLeche
meh...
Well, first of all, it might be useful if you defended your position first. I'm not going to take time to argue against a position that isn't defensible anyway. (That may require a new thread).
To keep things moving along while we wait for that though, I'd say that we believe that believing is an all-important step to being righteous. It isn't the be-all-and-end-all of righteousness though.
I'm not following your logic to your conclusion though, which I have bolded in the quote.
FFH
Veteran Member
We are "saved after all we can do".
2 Nephi 25: 23 (Book of Mormon)
For we labor diligently to write, to pursuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
neillien
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Ok. Sorry. Let me try again.
LDS espouse the Book of Mormon and Holy Ghost confirmation as the pinnacle of bringing in converts.
I was just saying that a traditional Christian, who understands the biblical principle of becoming righteous through belief,
most likely would not even want to inquire into a religion that does not believe this.
After all, what is better than a God who sees you as righteous just because you believe.
Ok, now I'm the one confused.
I have answered every question. The way to defend is to respond. Did I miss something?
SoyLeche
meh...
The reason someone might want to look into it should be fairly obvious: their current belief might just be wrong.
I can think of one thing: A God that exists
I was talking about the position of "Belief = Righteousness", but that really is a topic for another thread.Ok, now I'm the one confused.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Joseph and eleven others saw the plates. And what's with your choice of the word "raving"? Could you cite your source please, as I've never heard it said that Joseph Smith was "raving."
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
James 2:20-22 says, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"
Abraham had faith and his faith was made perfect by his works of obedience. Those who have a living faith will show this by their faithfulness.
First off, I was of the understanding that you fully understood LDS doctrine. I guess I was wrong.
But to answer your question, we believe, as the scriptures state, that faith without works is dead. A dead faith is useless. What I don't understand is how this ties to reading the Book of Mormon. You can't ask God to confirm the truthfulness of a message you've not yet received. How could reading a book which testifies of Jesus Christ and then asking God for wisdom in knowing of its truth be against Christian teachings. I'm afraid I don't understand your reasoning.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Sorry but I could never believe in a God that views people who commit horrible sins, but still believe, in the same catagory of righteousness as people who does their best to obey His commandments and believe.
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