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Question about UU

Chris

Member
I just read Michel's post, and afterwards read the sticky on UU and I'm curious if UU still holds Christian beliefs, and if they do how far do they go?
I'm pretty ignorant as far as UU, and I had no idea that it stemmed from Christianity. A friend of mine, when he was growing up, went to a church in San Fransico that I think was UU. He said that there was a cross outside of the church, but they didn't worship any particular deity, or anything. He said they ended up just taking the cross down.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Chris said:
I just read Michel's post, and afterwards read the sticky on UU and I'm curious if UU still holds Christian beliefs, and if they do how far do they go?

Not really. We value Jesus' teachings of love thy neighbor and peace, but as far as believing Jesus is a deity, no. We do recognize our Christian roots, and wish to work with our Christian brothers and sister on common goals, even though we don't agree on theology.


These Q&A might help:

Are UUs Christian?

The answer to this question varies among UUs. Unitarians and Universalists, once liberal Protestant Christian denominations, drew away from their Christian base to embrace the principle of individual freedom of belief. Although some churches are still liberal Christian, today only about 20 percent of UUs would call themselves Christian. Thus Unitarian Universalism cannot be considered a totally Christian religion.

How do you differ from Christians?

A primary way we differ is that we do not regard Jesus as a unique revelation of God. Most UUs (even UU Christians) would reject a literal interpretation of accepted Christian beliefs such as the Virgin Birth, the miracles of Jesus and the Resurrection. While UU Christians would accept a symbolic interpretation of these events, most UUs view Jesus as a moral and ethical teacher and no more than that.

http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c2.shtml#q18
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Chris Maize did an awsome job. I want to draw a mental picture for you . Christanity starts out with having the answers and finding the questions. UU looks at various answers and formulates questions. It is an organization with no doctrine no creed and no dogma. Only parameters based in our collective realities. I like to tell people that UU is a vessel for each indivdual to find their own spirtuality. At my UU church some of the people wear t-shirts that say

"All religions have a piece of the truth" Dali Lama.

That is a good way to look at it. When I meet other UU's in real life or on the net I know they have info I have yet to see and I have info they may have yet to see. And we cooperate and trade knowledge. Religious leaders in UU are people who study a number of religions in additon to the history of the UU church. I have yet to argue with another UU over the meaning of a passage or the meaning of the religion because the spirt of coorperation is one of the strongest aspects of the church.

baptists fight catholics fight j witness fight mormons. To UU this is strange as many aspects of our spirtuality are subjective and as such can not be objectivly concluded.

A catholic friend of mine when I told him I was UU said "oh you go to the happy church" . Funny but true. Spirtuality is seen as a postitive thing (and spirtuality can but does not have to mean belief in a higher power in UU). There is no graveling, no begging for forgiveness from a higher power and sermons on repentance. I have yet to see a UU preacher yell at the congration or admonish them.

In UU nobody from the children to the religious leaders claims to have all the answers, talk to God or have a book written by God. Instead in a spirt of mutual cooperation we see each other as brother's and sisters looking for our own spirtuality which may or may not be different from our fellow UU's.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I agree, Maize did a great job. I am so glad that Maize recognizes the differences in theology, which are significant. Thanks! You can imagine how irritating it is when some folks don't appreciate the difference of saying Jesus is God (thus the Christian confession) or Jesus is of less significance.

Happy Debating
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Damn Cfer it all depends. There is no standard or regulation except that most will at some point bring up UU history or UU people. If you read the UU joke thread that is so dead on accurate it ain't even funny (ok its funny). I guess best thing is for various UU's to talk about their indivdual churches and get an aggregate from that.

Austin has 4 or 5 UU churches I think but I only go to one of them.


Mine has two minsters. One male one female. In UU women and men are equal. There is a lot of candle lighting. The start of the church is done by lighting the chalice. A symbol of UU.

The minsters will than give a talk about various belief systems and people in them including christanity , hinduim, secular humanism, judaism buddhism and many others. Much the same way this forum is constructed.

People come up and light candles for humanity nature or happiness in their lives. Children light many of the candles and say what is on their mind. Nobody tells them what to say. Their is no doctrine. When lighting a candle things are said like "I light this candle for world peace." I light this candle for my uncle who is in the hospital" ect ect.

Songs are sung and philosophies shared. One is not expected to agree with philosophy presented but one is exceptected to be open minded about its contents. On any particular day I may be sitting next to an agnostic, a person who see Jesus as a God-like figure, a hindu, an atheist or a Jew who has a desire to learn outside of the Torah and Talmud.

People inside the church form sub-groups on non church days that might range from philosphy discussions (secular and religious) or mediation sessions. A spirt of mutual cooperation exists and their is a heavy interaction between the audiance and the ministers. The ministers give their speeches and the people their wishes.

No two sermons ever seem the same and with the diversity of beliefs the ministers are never short on material.

As for the congregation many of them are very knowledgable about belief systems in general. Much like Jews are in a synagouge. There is a gay male couple in my church and they hold hands and act like a couple completely free of judgement or worry.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Rob did an awesome job outlining the UU service, but as he pointed out, they will differ from church to church.

Here's some more Q&A:

What is a typical Sunday church service like?

Our typical service follows a Protestant structure: hymns, readings, meditation, singing by the choir, organ music and a sermon. Although the service's format is similar to a Protestant church, the content is quite different. God or Jesus is hardly ever mentioned and rarely are there Bible readings. Though the words prior to the meditation might sound like a prayer, they are not addressed to and do not request the support, inspiration, help or blessing of a supernatural deity.
What symbols do you display in your churches?

In the sanctuary of most UU churches, you will find no traditional signs or symbols. However, in those churches which have chosen to retain their liberal Christian identity, you may see a cross, open bible, or some other Christian symbol. A few churches display Christian symbols for historic purposes only.

Other churches, demonstrating their belief that there is wisdom in each of the world's religions, display symbols of many faiths: Christian, Judaism, Islam, Eastern, Native American, and others.

There are no rules laid down by our Association as to what constitutes the appropriate use of religious symbols; the decision is left to the local congregation.
What is the significance of the flaming chalice?

In the days preceding Word War II, the Boston-based Unitarian Service Committee was attempting to rescue Unitarians and other religious liberals from those parts of Europe (notably Czechoslovakia) where their lives were threatened by Naziism. The flaming chalice was the code by which those needing to be rescued identified themselves to the Unitarian Service Committee.

This symbol, which came into widespread use in Sunday services during the last 20 years, is usually lit at the beginning of the service, accompanied by a simple spoken ritual.

In our services today the chalice symbolizes wisdom, knowledge, and spiritual insight, and the flame that rises from the chalice represents the light of illumination and understanding.
What is the Flower Communion?

Many congregations observe this simple ritual in the late spring. On Flower Sunday, each person brings a flower and places it in the same large basket. At the close of the service, each person walks by the basket and removes a flower.

The variety of flowers symbolizes the variety of people, beliefs and ideas found in the congregation. Bringing a flower symbolizes the idea that each person brings something of themselves and contributes it to the service. The removal of the flower represents each person taking something away which the others have contributed.

Like the flaming chalice, this service also originated in Czechoslovakia before World War II. It was started by Czech minister Norbet Kapek who, in Prague, was the minister of the world's largest Universalist congregation during the 1920s. and 1930s. Captured by the Nazis, he was executed at the Dachau concentration camp. His wife, Maya, who escaped to America with the help of the Service Committee, introduced the Flower Communion to congregations in the United States and Canada.
What is the extent of ritual in the church?

Unitarians and Universalists emerged from the radical free church wing of the Protestant Reformation where all types of religious ritual and liturgy were suspect. Still retaining some of that suspicion, we avoid rote ceremony or ritual for its own sake. Although we attempt to make meaningful those rituals and symbols we do use, we don't wish them to become ends in themselves.
Why do some say that listening to a UU minister's sermon is a lot like attending a college class?

Because we have a rather intellectual religion, ministers often speak on non-religious contemporary issues which most adults find to be of great interest.
 
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