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How can HaShem have any equal? For Satan to be his "greatest enemy" that would mean Satan is somehow on par w/ Hashem making Him not an all powerful omnipotent being.angel888 said:THe beliefs in Satan come from Old and New Testament. (Torah and the Bible)
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Many Jews today(, NOT ALL) deny the existence of hell and Satan, yet there are many passages of Scripture in the Old Testament to support the literal existence of both hell and Satan.[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Job 2:7[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the top of his head.[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Psalm 109:6[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Appoint an evil man or [the Evil One]] to oppose him; let an accuser or [let Satan]] stand at his right hand. [/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Zechariah 3:1[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Then he showed me Joshua ; the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD , and Satan [ accuser ] standing at his right side to accuse him. [/font]
He is very real and Gods greatest enemy, Satan is also a great deciever and Liar, he would like us to believe he does not exist, thats part of his plan.
Angel
Cause i want to know what Luciferism is from the horses mouth. i can go to some site but i'd rather learn from a practitioner of this belief system. I'm curious as to it's origins...angel888 said:Its Satanism. !
Sorry I had to bow out, I am curious , as a Jew who believes in God and the commandments of God why would you be concerned about this topic and also why do you come to a religious forum to discuss such topics , when their are many hard core sites on the web with people who worship Satan and his antics.??
Just curious
Angel
Yes it is a choice but it is not Satan trying to destroy you. If you give into your Yetzer harah, or you inclination to avoid G-dliness, that's your own fault giving into temptations around you. The satan serves as an angel to HaShem, one of the main Ministering Angel which is alluded to in Job 1:6angel said:It started from the beginning of Creation . God and Satan, Good and evil, its a choice. You serve God or Satan
He is the millstone that grinds us and forces us into situations where we can choose the path of HaShem or our own Yetzer Harah...but make no mistake The satan's powers only come from what HaShem allows him to have, no more no lessNow the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them.
thank ya Maize!Maize said:Moved to Religious Debates at the request of the thread starter....
This is of course your opinion. But opinion never necessitates fact.angel888 said:Lucifer is Lucifer, no matter what context you put it in.
No, Satanism is humanism. Do some research.angel888 said:Satanist serve the Christian Devil
Of course you wouldn't see a difference. It seems that research is not your forte. Perhaps we should first define evil. Or maybe just like before, this is just another one of your opinions. And as we both know now. Opinion NEVER necessitates fact.angel888 said:I see no difference between Satanism and Luciferism since both serve evil,and deal with the occult witchcraft, ect., etc...
Again, another opinion. This time, not solely your own but also of those that wrote the bible. But still, opinion none the less. And using the bible to prove the bible right is circular reasoning and is thus a logical fallacy.angel888 said:Satan/Lucifer is the angel who fell from grace, thrown out of Heaven.!!
The term Lucifer is taken from a misinterpretation of Isaiah 14:12 which that whole thing is talking about the king of Babylon.angel888 said:Lucifer is Lucifer, no matter what context you put it in.
Satanist serve the Christian Devil
I see no difference between Satanism and Luciferism since both serve evil,and deal with the occult witchcraft, ect., etc...
Satan/Lucifer is the angel who fell from grace, thrown out of Heaven.!!
Angel