Gay adoption is good for children

rheff78 said:

let's see:
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but they lack the capacity, which according to you is the criteria.

because gays lack the capacity

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Exactly like infertile heterosexual couples.
1. You're being completely inconsistent.
2. Why is being able to reproduce biologically an important criteria for becoming a good adoptive parent? What's the connection?

are they re-married or not?

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Married couples who are divorced from prior marriages. Should they be allowed to adopt? God is against them.

ABLATT said:

Well, I am against whatever God is against. God created man and woman.. they had children.

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Yeah! Everybody needs to pair up with the opposite sex and have children! Just like Jesus! Just like John the Baptist! Just like Paul! That there is the way God intended! Adam and Eve proves it!

ABLATT said:

Homosexuals are not able to reproduce without man's intervention.. science.. technology.

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Homosexuals reproduce quite frequently, and often in the old-fashioned way. You need to get out more.

God did not mean for us to use computers. God gave Moses stone, so clearly He meant us to communicate via stone.

rheff78 said:

So it's your contention that we are all here by accident?

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rheff78 said:

True, dicussion for another forum.

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Good, then I will ignore the irrelevant question.

But I will say that it is my contention that nature does not have intentions. If it is your contention that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt because it goes against natures intentions, then it is up to you to demonstrate that nature has intentions, and that you can clearly show what those intentions are.

I don’t believe you can show that nature has any intentions at all.

But if you want to use this line of reasoning, then you must follow this logic where the logic leads, not where you want it to lead.


Is it is your contention that you can know the what nature wants base on what is? If that is your position then using your logic:

1). Based on the fact that same sex couples are unable to reproduce biologically with one another you can (using your reasoning) conclude that nature does not want same sex couples to reproduce biologically with each other.

2) Based on the fact that many children are without their biological parents (for a variety of natural causes) we can conclude that nature does not intend for these children to be raised by their biological parents.

3) Based on the fact that many same sex couples have been endowed by nature with the ability to care for and raise these children, and based on the fact that there are many same sex couples doing just that, we can conclude that nature intends these children to be raised by same sex couples.

This is where your logic leads. Your logic leads to the conclusion that nature intends gay adoption. As I say this is your logic, I still maintain that nature does not have intentions. So being a fair person I present you with a choice.

Either A) follow your logic were it leads and be forced to conclude that nature intends gay couples to adopt children.

Or B) Accept that the logic is fallacious and you cannot tell us what nature intends (if nature intends anything)


(p.s. I hope that if you respond to this post you will respond to the argument instead of avoiding it by asking irrelevant cosmic questions)

And how did these thousands of children come into foster care? It was because their heterosexual parents abused, neglected and abandoned them. It sure as heck wasn't homosexuality that got them there.

Autodidact said:

God did not mean for us to use computers. God gave Moses stone, so clearly He meant us to communicate via stone.

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Unfortunately, this is how we were told to communicate via stone:

Numbers 15:

[32] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

[35] And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Autodidact said:

And how did these thousands of children come into foster care? It was because their heterosexual parents abused, neglected and abandoned them. It sure as heck wasn't homosexuality that got them there.

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So are you saying that homosexuals are immune to all the problems with heterosexual society? i.e. child abuse, neglect, etc.

rheff78 said:

So are you saying that homosexuals are immune to all the problems with heterosexual society? i.e. child abuse, neglect, etc.

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They're immune to unwanted children, so that gets rid of a large number of the problems.

rheff78 said:

So it's your contention that we are all here by accident?

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If you are so intent on there being only the two options, then I say yes, we are here by accident.
However I only say that because you have limited it to EITHER "God did it" or "It was an accident."

rheff78 said:

Not really. There's no evidence dis-proving me. Where's your evidence?

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There is no evidence proving you right either.
There is no evidence dis-proving him. Wheres your evidence?
Or is this merely a set up for a preaching on the Bible?

Im a Christian...and I will tell you one thing..I would have not only preffered but have been blessed if I was an unwanted child and a loving gay couple wanted to give me a home with stability.

You people who are against it may need to put yourself in the position of the child.Or how about this...would you if your child became an orphan prefer they be raised in one foster home after the other and be a ward of the state???...The fact of the matter from what I understand its the gay people are willing to take in children at a much higher rate that are turned away by most hetero couples.

And if it was my orphaned child that no one else wanted (or even if they did for that matter)I would say he or she was blessed.

Blessings

Dallas

MidnightBlue said:

Yeah! Everybody needs to pair up with the opposite sex and have children! Just like Jesus! Just like John the Baptist! Just like Paul! That there is the way God intended! Adam and Eve proves it!

Homosexuals reproduce quite frequently, and often in the old-fashioned way. You need to get out more.

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There is no way for a man and man to reproduce .... an no way for a woman and woman to reproduce.... without technology intervention. But like someone said earlier.. yes, there are heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce.


I am not sure what your comment meant beforehand.. about Jesus, John the Baptist and Paul. All of those men gave lived their lives entirely for the Gospel's sake. They weren't tied down by marriage.

Being homosexual is an abomination to God's law. That is what I meant before when I said, "I am against whatever God is against."
Romans 1:26-32 Not only is it unnatural.. it's against God.. unrighteous.

rheff78 said:

So are you saying that homosexuals are immune to all the problems with heterosexual society? i.e. child abuse, neglect, etc.

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No, I'm saying that gay people do not get pregnant by accident. The thousands of children in foster care are NOT the children of gay people.

This is not theoretical; it's real. Like me, many of my friends are taking care of children whose heterosexual parents are unwilling or unable to take care of them. I am not aware of any case of the converse, are you?

ABLATT said:

Being homosexual is an abomination to God's law. That is what I meant before when I said, "I am against whatever God is against."
Romans 1:26-32 Not only is it unnatural.. it's against God.. unrighteous.

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1. Please explain why we or our country should have the slightest interest in your personal interpretation of your holy scriptures.
2. If you want to state this as if it were fact, you first need to convince us that God exists, is the God named in your holy text, and actually does condemn homosexuality. Good luck with that.
3. Well, so is eating oysters, but that doesn't seem to bother you.
4. Where does God prohibits lesbianism?
5. What on earth does this have to do with child welfare, the subject of this thread? If your religion prohibits what is best for children, then your religion needs to step aside.

Autodidact said:

1. Please explain why we or our country should have the slightest interest in your personal interpretation of your holy scriptures.
2. If you want to state this as if it were fact, you first need to convince us that God exists, is the God named in your holy text, and actually does condemn homosexuality. Good luck with that.
3. Well, so is eating oysters, but that doesn't seem to bother you.
4. Where does God prohibits lesbianism?
5. What on earth does this have to do with child welfare, the subject of this thread? If your religion prohibits what is best for children, then your religion needs to step aside.

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1. It's not MY personal interpretation of the Bible. It is the Bible.
2. I cannot convince anyone of God. It's your choice to live for Him or against Him. But not being able to convince you of the FACT that HE is.. does not take away the FACT that their is a God.. creator of all.
3. Oysters.. I have no clue what you mean.
4. I just put a scripture in my last entry.. one place where the bible talks about it. Women leaving the natural use of a man. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
5. As far as child welfare. I wouldn't want a child raised in a home where it is already offensive to God. One would be teaching the child that it is okay and natural to be that way.
I don't like it any more than the next person that we have millions of children in foster homes.. But I hate to see them be put in ANY home that would not teach them the truth about God.
What is best for children is to be raised by a loving mom and DAD... and I know that doesn't always happen.

The statement that was made about Heterosexuals having babies out of wedlock...
That doesn't happen with homosexuals because they can't get pregnant .. but that does not mean that they are not promiscuous.

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1. It's not MY personal interpretation of the Bible. It is the Bible.

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And yet millions of Christians disagree with you.

2. I cannot convince anyone of God. It's your choice to live for Him or against Him.

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Well, I don't make it a practice to be against imaginary beings.

But not being able to convince you of the FACT that HE is.. does not take away the FACT that their is a God.. creator of all.

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Well, it sure makes it dubious. I mean, if something's a fact, it shouldn't be hard to convince me of it. Just present the evidence. I'm open.

3. Oysters.. I have no clue what you mean.

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And you call your self faithful to God's commandments! Maybe you should first learn what they are, then follow them, then start worrying about other people. Don't tell me you eat oysters?!
[SIZE=-1]"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an [/SIZE]abomination[SIZE=-1]." (Leviticus 11:11)

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4. I just put a scripture in my last entry.. one place where the bible talks about it. Women leaving the natural use of a man. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Yes, and as I was saying, where does God prohibit lesbianism? Oh, that's right, HE DOESN'T. He sure has a problem with those fried shrimp you ate yesterday. And please don't tell me you cut the hair on the side of your head or clip the edges of your beard. ABOMINATOR!

5. As far as child welfare. I wouldn't want a child raised in a home where it is already offensive to God. One would be teaching the child that it is okay and natural to be that way.

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And why would we be interested in what you want? We're only interested in what's good for children. I don't want children raised in a home where primitive superstitions are taught to impressionable children as if they were facts, and innocent children are taught to distrust and lie about their own natures, but I'll consider letting you adopt if no Atheist home is available.

I don't like it any more than the next person that we have millions of children in foster homes.. But I hate to see them be put in ANY home that would not teach them the truth about God.

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Yes, like most Christians, you value your own ideology above children's welfare. Again, what on earth makes you think we have the slightest interest in what you want or what you hate? The subject here is what is good for children, not your personal problems.

What is best for children is to be raised by a loving mom and DAD.

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Provide evidence for this false assertion, which has already been disproved in this thread.

The statement that was made about Heterosexuals having babies out of wedlock...
That doesn't happen with homosexuals because they can't get pregnant .. but that does not mean that they are not promiscuous.

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Yes, it's true, some homosexuals, like some heterosexuals, are promiscuous. You don't believe in judging people by the actions of others though do you? Heterosexuals can't help it that they get pregnant by accident. I just wish they'd be more responsible about creating children they can't or have no plan to care for, don't you?

Edit: Sorry Autodidact I know this question were for you but I couldn't help myself. And reading you post above mine here, you answered them better then me. But I tried. ^_^

ABLATT said:

1. It's not MY personal interpretation of the Bible. It is the Bible.

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Of course it is. What makes what you believe in it different then the next Christian, all the different types of Bible aer some one personal interpretation of it.

2. I cannot convince anyone of God. It's your choice to live for Him or against Him. But not being able to convince you of the FACT that HE is.. does not take away the FACT that their is a God.. creator of all.

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Yeah no one can prove any God, so what makes your so much more really or the one true then any one else.

3. Oysters.. I have no clue what you mean.

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According to you God, it is against him to eat Oysters.

4. I just put a scripture in my last entry.. one place where the bible talks about it. Women leaving the natural use of a man. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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5. As far as child welfare. I wouldn't want a child raised in a home where it is already offensive to God. One would be teaching the child that it is okay and natural to be that way.
I don't like it any more than the next person that we have millions of children in foster homes.. But I hate to see them be put in ANY home that would not teach them the truth about God.
What is best for children is to be raised by a loving mom and DAD... and I know that doesn't always happen.

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Who are you to decide if the house is for the best of the Child just because they offend your God. The truth about about God is what ever one wants it to be. So you would rather have a kid live in a Close Minded Christian house where the not treat the best but make them believe in there God, then a House that might be with some Gay Pagan, that are also open mind and believe that believe should be able to live there live they way they chose(has long as it hurt no one or themself) and is long and treats them the best?

That doesn't happen with homosexuals because they can't get pregnant .. but that does not mean that they are not promiscuous.

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Of course they can. Your tell me that if a Homosexual man just so happens to have sex with a woman, so make sure he wasn't just confused about being Homosexual(I have has Homosexual friends do this), that if they know there Gay after the deed is done that the women won't get pregnant because he's Gay. Or what if a female Homosexual is raped, what she won't get pregnant because she Gay. And all humans can be promiscuous, being Gay or Straight has nothing to do with it.

ABLATT said:

There is no way for a man and man to reproduce .... an no way for a woman and woman to reproduce.... without technology intervention.

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Nevertheless, homosexuals do reproduce, often without any technology at all. The person they spend their life with may be someone other than the other biological parent of their children, but that's true of a lot of heterosexuals, too.

ABLATT said:

I am not sure what your comment meant beforehand.. about Jesus, John the Baptist and Paul. All of those men gave lived their lives entirely for the Gospel's sake. They weren't tied down by marriage.

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If the story of Adam and Eve proves that god intended us to pair up with the opposite sex, then celibacy is wrong, too.

ABLATT said:

Being homosexual is an abomination to God's law. That is what I meant before when I said, "I am against whatever God is against."
Romans 1:26-32 Not only is it unnatural.. it's against God.. unrighteous.

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I'm not concerned about the opinion of your imaginary friend.

Autodidact said:

But why is that preferred? Why is that a better role model?

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So boys can learn the proper way to smack women?

ABLATT said:

There is no way for a man and man to reproduce .... an no way for a woman and woman to reproduce.... without technology intervention. But like someone said earlier.. yes, there are heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce.

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I can't see clearly more than a few feet in front of my face without technological intervention, but if you try to take my glasses or contacts, I'm going to have something to say about it.