Reject or Accept?

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

Define "accept Him."

M O N S T E R said:

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

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I'd tell him to kiss my lily white hinder part.

Better yet, "Get thee behind me Satan."

sandy whitelinger said:

I'd tell him to kiss my lily white hinder part.

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Would you please explain why?

M O N S T E R said:

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

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Well, it's a paradox because if the Christian God is real and all-powerful then such a thing could not happen.

M O N S T E R said:

Would you please explain why?

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Because it's a false Christ.

Hypothetical arguments are acceptable in debates. They are frequently useful tools for revealing invalid arguments. Christians frequently use hypothetical arguments when they believe that it suits their purposes to do so. C.S. Lewis' 'Lord, Liar, or Lunatic' is a good example. Lewis uses a number of hypothetical arguments to try to demonstrate that Jesus was proabably Lord, and not a liar or a lunatic. Of course, Lewis would not have been able to reasonably prove that God is not mentally incompetent. Even Attila the Hun did not kill people who loved him like God does. In addition, Attila the Hun would never have considered indiscriminately killing people and animals with hurricanes like God does. One thing that Attila would have done if he had been able to do would have been to create a helper to help him terrorize his enemies. God acted much worse than that because he empowered a vicious Devil to help him terrorize all of mankind, including people who love him. That is certainly much worse than a father giving the keys to his car to his son who is drunk and telling him to go to the store to buy some food. In that case, the father empowered his son to drive when he was drunk, thereby needlessly endangering his son's life, and the lives of other people.

M O N S T E R said:

Hypothetical arguments are acceptable in debates. They are frequently useful tools for revealing invalid arguments.

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What is the invalid argument you are pointing out?

sandy whitelinger said:

What is the invalid argument you are pointing out?

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Perhaps the irony or logical inconsistency of a Christian hypothetically rejecting a god most like the Christian God that MONSTER can imagine.

*yawn*

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M O N S T E R said:

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

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God probably does NOT need to "claim" or "demonstrate" to be GOD. God simply is.

M O N S T E R said:

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

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If he healed the sick, and showed compassion and helped people, I would happily get on board. That is as long as he isn’t asking me do to anything immoral.


Why? Do you think this is likely to happen?

angellous_evangellous said:

Perhaps the irony or logical inconsistency of a Christian hypothetically rejecting a god most like the Christian God that MONSTER can imagine.

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I reject all of MONSTER's imaginary gods.

Consider the following Scriptures.

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Just like that evidence, the evidence in my hypothetical scenario would be tangible, firsthand evidence. If tangible, firsthand evidence is convincing, which the New Testament claims is the case, then I would assume Christians should accept the evidence in my hypothetical scenario.

M O N S T E R said:

Consider the following Scriptures.

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Just like that evidence, the evidence in my hypothetical scenario would be tangible, firsthand evidence. If tangible, firsthand evidence is convincing, which the New Testament claims is the case, then I would assume Christians should accept the evidence in my hypothetical scenario.

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Except Christ has already set the scenario for His second coming which your's doesn't describe. He also set the scenario for false Christs which your scenario fits.

M O N S T E R said:

If tangible, firsthand evidence is convincing, which the New Testament claims is the case, then I would assume Christians should accept the evidence in my hypothetical scenario.

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That's not a very well-informed assumption.

Anyway, if your hypothetical situation were to materialize, I would eat my shorts and encourage everyone else do to the same.

EDIT: For clarification, I would eat my own shorts and encourage everyone else to eat their shorts.

M O N S T E R said:

If a supposed powerful being showed up, claimed that he was the one true God, said that all of the Gods of all of the religions in the world do not exist, demonstrated that he was powerful by speaking a new galaxy into existence, demonstrated that he was benevolent by healing all of the sick people in the world, and said that anyone who accepted him would, after death, experience eternal bliss, and that anyone who rejected him would not, what would you as a Christian do? Are you reasonably certain that you would never be willing to accept this supposed God?

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Sounds a lot like the beast in Revelation in the Bible. I would definitely not follow/accept this because the bible foretold this would happen.

Revelation 13:11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Furthermore, Jesus explains his second coming.

Matthew 24:30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.