Are there prophecies concerning Muhammad in the Vedas and Upanishads?

If so, is he cast in a negative or positive light?

I have a sort of basic knowledge on this, but I read somewhere (this forum, possibly) that the sayings are not quoted entirely, so I figured I'd ask the Muslims and Dharma folks.

Peace.

They like to think that the man it is talking about is Muhammed, it maybe so. But i fail to see teh connection. You saw it on a thread by the user Protector, who has conviniently run away when he has to prove himself...

Namaste Gabriel.

I've seen several Muslims quote the Bhavishya Purana claiming it predicts that Muhammad will be a prophet of God, however, this site "Prophet Mohammed in the Hindu scriptures! (FAKE) - alt.hindu | Google Groups" appears to debunk the claim that Muhammad was predicted as being a prophet, but rather was predicted as being the founder of an adharmic religion (even then the Bhavishya Purana has been suspected to have been edited over the years, thus any sort of prediction about Muhammad may not have originally been in this Purana)

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If so, is he cast in a negative or positive light?

I have a sort of basic knowledge on this, but I read somewhere (this forum, possibly) that the sayings are not quoted entirely, so I figured I'd ask the Muslims and Dharma folks.

Peace.

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Mention of Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] within the Veda's and the Upanishad's exists only within the minds of Muslims. I am not aware of a single non-Muslim accredited scholar who supports these claims. In theory, one could find mention of Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] in the Lord of the Rings is one looked hard enough.

Muhammad (pbuh) prophesized in Bhavishya Purana
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag, Parv III, Khand 3, Aday 3, Shaloka 5 to 8
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee, ‘Oye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.”
The Prophecy clearly states:
(i) The name of the Prophet as Muhammad
(ii) He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word ‘Marusthal’ means a sandy track of land or a desert.
(iii) Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
(iv) He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Holy Qur’an reconfirms this in Surah Al-Qalam, Chapter 68, Verse 4
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character” and in Surah Al-Ahzab Chapter 33, Verse 21
“Ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”
(ii)He will kill the devil i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.
(vi) The Prophet will be given the protection against his enemy.
Some people may argue that Raja Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century CE 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realize that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman kings were known as Caesar’s, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the tittle of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century CE.
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idem meaning washing away or making immune from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless i.e. ‘Maasoom’.



battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda, Book XX, Hymn 21, Verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These libatrous drinks these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”
(i)This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammad. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab, Chapter 33, Verse 22, “When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true”.
And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.
(ii)The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means Ahmed, the second name of Prophet Muhammad.
(iii) (Pbuh) The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in numbers.
(iv)The last words of the Mantra ‘aprati ni bashayah’ means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.




The enemies defeat in the conquest of Mecca
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse No. 7
“You have O India, overthrown 20 Kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariat wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
(i) The Population of Mecca at the time of Prophet advent was nearly 60,000.
(ii)There were several clans in Mecca each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Mecca.
(iii)An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far famed and ‘Praised one’ Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda, Book I, Hymn 53, Verse 9
The Sanskrit word used is ‘Sushrana’ which means praise worthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Muhammad (pbuh) prophesized in Bhavishya Purana
In the 20th Book of Atharvaveda, Hymn 127. Some Suktas (Chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukt. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Mecca is called the ‘Ummul Qur’an’ the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth in many revealed books it was the first house of divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Holy Qur’an says in Surah Ale-Imran, Chapter 3, Verse 95.
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka (Mecca) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”.
Another name for Mecca is ‘Becca’. Thus Kuntap stands for Mecca or Becca.
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Blomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandith Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas that is Atharvaved, Book XX, Hymn 127, Verses 1-13 are:
Mantra 1:
He is narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad).
He is Kaurama the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
Mantra 2:
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Mantra 3:
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaklets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.
Mantra 4:
Vachyesv rebh, ’Oh! ye who glorifies’
Mantra 5:
The praying ones with their prayers hurry on like powerful bulls.
Mantra 6:
O you who praises hold fast the wisdom which earns cows and good things. Disseminate this among the divine.
Mantra 7:
He is the king of the worlds, the best of men and guide for the entire mankind.
Mantra 8-9:
He has procured a secure dwelling for the people, gives protection to every body and has spread peace in the world.
Mantra 10:
People thrive happily end prosper under his rule and from the depth of degradation they rise to the height of glory.
Mantra 11:
He is asked to wake up and warn the world.
Mantra 12:
He is extremely bountiful and very generous.
Mantra 13:
(His followers) have been saved from the hostility and robbery of the enemy and May the Master not be harmed.
Mantra 14:
We Glorify and praise the great hero with a song of praise and a prayer. Please accept this praise so that evil may not befall us.

(i) The Sanskrit word ‘Narashansah’ means ‘the praised one’ which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).
The Sanskrit word ‘Kaurama’ means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’ the holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. ‘Kaurama’ also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Mecca to Medina and was thus also an Emigrant. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies which was the population of Mecca.
(ii)The Prophet would ride a camel, this clearly indicates that, it cannot be an Indian Rishi since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel, sacred Books of the east, Volume 25, Laws of Manu page 472 according to Manu Smriti, Chapter 11, Verse 202.
“A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an *** and to bath naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.
(iii) (a) This Mantra gave the Rishis name as Mamah. No rishi in India or any other Prophet had this name ‘Mamah’ is derived from ‘Mah’ which means to esteem highly, on a revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophets name as ‘Mahamad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually Mamah has the some meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).
(b)He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Meccan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Mecca to Abyssinia later when Prophet migrated to Madina all of them joined him in Madinah.
(c)The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as ‘Ashra – Mubbashshira’ (10 bestowed with good news). These were fore told in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by Prophets own lips and after naming each one he said (in Paradise). They were Abu Baker, Umer, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibni Auf, Sad Bin Abi Waqqar, Sad Bin Zaid and Abu Ubeidah (May God be well-pleased with them).
(d)The third gift was 300 good steeds. These horses belonged to the Arab breed. The Sanskrit word ‘Arvah’ means swift Arab horse, The 300 steeds refers to the 300 companions of the Holy Prophet who fought at the battle of Badar and came back victorious even though the enemies were thrice the number.
(e)The Sankrit word ‘Go’ is derived from ‘Gaw’ which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called ‘Go’ and is a symbol of war as well as peace, the 10,000 cows refers to the 10,000 companious of who accompanied the Prophet (Pubh) when he entered Mecca during Fateh Mecca which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like a cow and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Fatah, Chapter 48, Verse 29,
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other”.
(iv) This mantra calls the Prophet as ‘Rebh’ which means one who praises which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
(v) He and his followers are always mindful of their prayers even in the battlefield. The Holy Qur’an says in Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, Verse 45,
“Nay, seek (Allah’s) help with patience, perseverance and prayer”
The Holy Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse 102,
“When thou (O Messenger) act with them, and standest to lead them in prayer, Let one party of them stand up (in prayer) with thee, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostations, let them take their position in the rear. And let the other party come up which hath not yet prayed and let them pray with thee, taking all precautions, and bearing arms.”
(ii)The wisdom mentioned in this mantra refer to the Holy Qur’an. The Holy Qur’an earns good not only in this world but also in the here after. The Prophet (pbuh) is asked to propagate amongst his companions. Many of whom memorized the Qur’an.
(iii)All the attributes in this mantra apply to the Holy Prophet (pbuh)
In Surah Al-Anbiya, Chapter 21, Verse 107
“We sent thee not, but as a mercy for all creatures”
In Surah Saba, Chapter 34, Verse 28
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.”
In Surah Al-Qalam, Chapter 68, Verse 4
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character.”
In Surah Al-Ahzab, Chapter 33, Verse 21
“We have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”.
(iv) & (ix) During the reconstruction of Kaaba, the Prophet (pbuh) Through his wisdom prevented a war between the Arab tribe. The Prophet not only gave peace to the Arab land but also to the whole world. Even during the conquest of Mecca, the Prophet established peace without shedding a single drop of blood. He gave peace, shelter to the bitterest enemies and let them go by saying, “There shall be no reproof against you this day.”

(x)The Arabs were the most ignorant people 1400 years ago and it was referred to as ‘Youmul Jahiliya’. The Prophet with his message brought prosperity and raised these ignorant people and made them the torchbearers.
(xi) This Mantra gives the translation of the Holy Qur’an Surah Al-Mudaththir, Chapter 74, Verses 1-3
“O thou wrapped up (in a mantle)! Arise and deliver thy warning!
And thy Lord do thou magnify!” The Prophet arose and warned the people and glorified the Lord.
(xii)The Holy Qur’an says in Surah Ale-Imran, Chapter 3, Verse 159
“It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou don’t deal gently with them.
Wert thou severe or harsh hearted, They would have broken away from about thee.”
It was due to the Prophets (pbuh) kind-heartedness; mercy and generosity that people flocked around him otherwise the stubborn Arabs could never have been won.
(xiii)This Mantra is a prayer of the Rishi for the Prophet (pbuh) a similar prayer is found in the last Chapter of the Holy Qur’an i.e. Surah Nas, Chapter 114, Verses 1-3.
“Say, I seek refuge with Lord and Cherisher of mankind, The King (or Ruler) of mankind, the God (or Judge) of mankind from the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper) - (the same) who whispers into the hearts of mankind – Among Jinns and among Men.”
(xiv)In this last Mantra, the Rishi of the Veda makes it compulsory for the followers of the Veda to praise the Holy Prophet (pbuh) land follow him so that they will be saved from the evil of this world.

Well, I found these claims being made. I am not the one, who has claimed anything. The TC wanted these references. I did some research, and presented this.

YmirGF said:

Mention of Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] within the Veda's and the Upanishad's exists only within the minds of Muslims. I am not aware of a single non-Muslim accredited scholar who supports these claims. In theory, one could find mention of Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] in the Lord of the Rings is one looked hard enough.

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Do you know that in a discussion, b/w Dr.Zakir Naik and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ( well known Hindu scholar) on the topic, "Concept Of God in Hinduism and Islam in light of Sacred Scriptures": Zakir Naik presented many of the verses I have provided and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar accepted these to be concerning Prophet Muhammad. I believe videos of this discussion are available.

Sri Sri Ravishankar... I certainly do not concern him a hindu.

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Sri Sri Ravishankar... I certainly do not concern him a hindu.

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I certainly do not recognize him as a "scholar" per se. It is a bit unseemly to add the honorific "Sri Sri" (Lord, Lord) to one's own name, especially when the world famous Ravi Shankar objected to the use/abuse of "his" name by this person. It would seem by inference that the renowned Ravi Shankar is not terribly impressed with this "pretender".

The enemies defeat in the conquest of Mecca
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse No. 7
“You have O India, overthrown 20 Kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariat wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
(i) The Population of Mecca at the time of Prophet advent was nearly 60,000.
(ii)There were several clans in Mecca each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Mecca.
(iii)An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far famed and ‘Praised one’ Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda, Book I, Hymn 53, Verse 9
The Sanskrit word used is ‘Sushrana’ which means praise worthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

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Have you actually bothered to read the Atharva Veda, or did you just copy and paste this argument from a Islamic apologetics website? In Ralph Griffith's translation of the Atharva Veda, Book 20, hymn 21, verse 7 we find

[SIZE=-1][/SIZE]Thou goest on from fight to fight intrepidly, destroying castle
after castle here with strength;
Thou Indra, with thy friend who makes the foe bow down,
slewest from far away the guileful Namuchi.

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There is no mention of 20 kings, or 60,099 men, nor of a "famed orphan". Rather it is Indra who is fighting, and Namuchi (an asura) who he defeated, not the forces of Mecca.

Lord of the truthful! These libatrous drinks these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one

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Concerning this other verse you posted from the Atharva Veda, though Zakir is fairly close, he edits one prime detail. The verse doesn't say ten thousand opponents, but ten thousand Vritras (asures) and of Indra fighting them, not Muhammad. Further more this speaks of a battle that had already happened before the composition of the Vedas, not a prophecy

These our libations, strength inspiring Soma draughts, gladdened
thee in the fight with Vritra, Hero-Lord, p. 281
What time thou slewest for the singer with trimmed grass ten
thousand Vritras, thou resistless in thy might.

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In the 20th Book of Atharvaveda, Hymn 127. Some Suktas (Chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukt. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Mecca is called the ‘Ummul Qur’an’ the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth in many revealed books it was the first house of divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Holy Qur’an says in Surah Ale-Imran, Chapter 3, Verse 95.
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka (Mecca) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”.
Another name for Mecca is ‘Becca’. Thus Kuntap stands for Mecca or Becca.
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Blomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandith Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas that is Atharvaved, Book XX, Hymn 127, Verses 1-13 are:

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I'm not even going to bother refuting this bit here. Go to- Islam Watch - "Zakir Naik and Abdul Haque Vidyarthi Refuted" by S Prasadh and you'll find a nice little refutation of the argument you made.

Muhammad (pbuh) prophesized in Bhavishya Purana
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag, Parv III, Khand 3, Aday 3, Shaloka 5 to 8
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee, ‘Oye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.”
The Prophecy clearly states:
(i) The name of the Prophet as Muhammad
(ii) He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word ‘Marusthal’ means a sandy track of land or a desert.
(iii) Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
(iv) He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Holy Qur’an reconfirms this in Surah Al-Qalam, Chapter 68, Verse 4
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character” and in Surah Al-Ahzab Chapter 33, Verse 21
“Ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”
(ii)He will kill the devil i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.
(vi) The Prophet will be given the protection against his enemy.
Some people may argue that Raja Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century CE 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realize that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman kings were known as Caesar’s, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the tittle of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century CE.
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idem meaning washing away or making immune from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless i.e. ‘Maasoom’.

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Look at the link I posted in my previous post, and you'll see this is nothing, but lies.

I certainly do not recognize him as a "scholar" per se. It is a bit unseemly to add the honorific "Sri Sri" (Lord, Lord) to one's own name, especially when the world famous Ravi Shankar objected to the use/abuse of "his" name by this person. It would seem by inference that the renowned Ravi Shankar is not terribly impressed with this "pretender".

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The whole point of him using "Sri Sri" was due to the whole ordeal with Ravi Shankar (the sitar player). Sri Sri isn't actually a bad guy, and though he is a bit overly "universalist" I hardly think that warrants us to say he is a non-Hindu. Also, wasn't his using "Sri Sri" suggested by his guru Mahesh Yogi (who I'm sad to say passed away just awhile ago)?

Hinduism is not a propheic religion like Judaism or Christianity> If a traditional Hindu wants a window on the future he'll go to an astrologer.

In re: Bhavishya Purana. Look hard enough into anything abstract or convoluted and you can see patterns. Look at a cloud. You see a camel, a weasel... the Virgin Mary.

If God wanted to prophesy He's perfectly capable of making Himelf clear: "Lo! In the year 570,in the city of Mecca, there will be born a man named Muhammad, of the Hashim clan..."

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I certainly do not recognize him as a "scholar" per se. It is a bit unseemly to add the honorific "Sri Sri" (Lord, Lord) to one's own name, especially when the world famous Ravi Shankar objected to the use/abuse of "his" name by this person. It would seem by inference that the renowned Ravi Shankar is not terribly impressed with this "pretender".

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What hindu goes to find problems and bad in his own faith...?

The Bhavishya Purana is a well intentioned, but ultimately slippery purana, because of its incredulous claims to prophecy. The Bhavishya Purana retells the history of India from the perspective of a sage in the unknown past speaking about the future. The creator was attempting to cement the legitmacy of the Hindu tradition amidst various missionary forces from non-Dharmic traditions - and it grew with the times. Odd enough, its predictions about the future end with the beginning of the Victorian era.

It is not blasphemous to ask why these predictions stopped and did not continue on afterwards. I have never heard a Hindu argue with reference to this scripture. It is not important.

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Hinduism is not a propheic religion like Judaism or Christianity> If a traditional Hindu wants a window on the future he'll go to an astrologer.

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This is absolutely correct. Hinduism is not a prophetic religion. Jyotish, or Hindu astrology is the method of calculating the future.

Read this well researched refutation of Mohammed's prophecy in the Vedas by Ali Sina (author of Faith Freedom):
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Prasadh51229.htm

MFaraz_Hayat said:

Do you know that in a discussion, b/w Dr.Zakir Naik and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ( well known Hindu scholar) on the topic, "Concept Of God in Hinduism and Islam in light of Sacred Scriptures": Zakir Naik presented many of the verses I have provided and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar accepted these to be concerning Prophet Muhammad. I believe videos of this discussion are available.

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No Hindu scholar I know has ever thought of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar as a scholar. For years he has received lots of criticism about many of his views. I must say that that he is great when it comes to social programs.He cares about the poor. I found the video of this discussion very sad. The crowed seems to be a mob at this event. I do find Dr Zakir to be a smart man.